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Old 2007 May 19th, 06:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Attention please! Please use proper and formal English when posting

Hi members,

I know that your test is coming. You may feel stressed. Please help make the forum easy to read.

It has been a while that this forum has been started. We are in an academic forum. Your messages are valuable assets to others. They are not deleted when you shut down your computer as you do in a chat room.

We need your cooperation.

Please read:

1. Please use proper English.

You would like to reduce your time. Readers may have to spend more time trying to understand your English.

Example:

http://www.urch.com/forums/toefl-gra...e-english.html (I wanna develop error free english!!!)

2 Please make testmagic an abbreviation free zone.

http://www.urch.com/forums/lounge/28...free-zone.html (Make TM an abbreviation free zone?)

3. Have dictionary gone out of fashion?

http://www.urch.com/forums/lounge/47...t-fashion.html (Have dictionaries gone out of fashion?)

I can't imagine if a foreign pharmacist uses a lot of abbreviations to his/her co-workers, doctors, patients, or starts a sentence without a capital letter. I believe that they will be insulted by their American co-workers. Therefore, please try to develop your good English here. Otherwise, when you get used to improper English, one day, you may forget what the correct English is.

However, it is okay if you make grammatical errors because you don't know how to write perfect English but intentional use of mis-spelling is unacceptable. We are foreigners. Everyone unintentionally makes mistakes.
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For example:

This is bad:

I wanna develop error free english!!!
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Sir i want to develop english fluency without grammatical errors. Pls suggest any idea for developing my grammatical error free english.
Rgds,
RBT
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This is the correct way to post:

I want to develop error free English
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Sir,

I want to develop English fluency without grammatical errors. Please suggest any idea for developing my grammatical error free English.

Regards,

Robert
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Please observe capital letters, indent, punctuation, and avoid abbreviations.


We need your co-operation.


Thank you very much. Good luck on your coming test.


Sincerely,

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Facts:

Be sure to pass all sections of TOEFL iBT (R21, L18, S26*,W24) before applying for FPGEE. Thousands of candidates passed FPGEE but could not achieve TOEFL requirement after several attempts. Percent passing rate on the speaking section is only 10 percent. (http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/TOEFL...mmary_2008.pdf, page 5)

The average score on the speaking section of the US candidates is 22 and candidates from English speaking countries is 23 (http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/TOEFL...mmary_2008.pdf, p. 9-10.)

Would you like to see changes?

Cilck here ->http://www.aetr.org/index.php to file TOEFL reform
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Old 2007 May 20th, 02:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I appreciate that you tell it to everyone. Even I don't like informal English in my thread which is a test Q&A thread "Ask a Question and Find Answer (s)!".
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Old 2007 May 20th, 03:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Thank you for your comment. Since the owner of the forum is an English teacher and his major is English Literature, he is really concerned about the usage of English. However, it seems a bit out of hands.

We should help make the forum survive in the long run. If everyone uses sloppy English, it will make it hard for native speakers to read. Please remember that the forum is read by many people around the world including pharmacists from English speaking countries.

I hope that you all understand this. Imagine that if nobody can understand your messages, eventually, who is going to read and answer your questions?

Don't get mad if you get the notice please. We need to do something before it is too late.

Thank you very much.

FPGEE is not a complicated test. If you used to practice as a pharmacist, you should be able to pass it. I remember that I spent 8 months to study for it, but on the day of the exam, I could barely remember anything from the 8 months of my study, but I dug up my knowledge from what I discussed to doctors, patients, customers, symposiums, literatures, journals, and even the packages of the medicines when I grabbed and put them on shelves during practicing as a pharmacist and working in companies.

Good luck on your test.
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Facts:

Be sure to pass all sections of TOEFL iBT (R21, L18, S26*,W24) before applying for FPGEE. Thousands of candidates passed FPGEE but could not achieve TOEFL requirement after several attempts. Percent passing rate on the speaking section is only 10 percent. (http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/TOEFL...mmary_2008.pdf, page 5)

The average score on the speaking section of the US candidates is 22 and candidates from English speaking countries is 23 (http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/TOEFL...mmary_2008.pdf, p. 9-10.)

Would you like to see changes?

Cilck here ->http://www.aetr.org/index.php to file TOEFL reform
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Old 2007 May 20th, 03:52 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm going to sticky this thread for a while.
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Old 2007 May 22nd, 02:50 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I'm very sorry but I do not understand what it means when you say "I'm going to sticky this thread". Please explain to me as I feel that I may not benefit from this forum if I cannot comprehend where the thred is going.Thank you and my apologies for being so ignorant.
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Old 2007 May 22nd, 05:36 AM   #6 (permalink)
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That just means I'm going to make the thread appear at the top of the pharmacy forum for a while.
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Old 2007 June 6th, 07:42 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Folks,

I am not strict on grammar but please avoid the textese. Please use capital letters where needed. Not using a capital letter at a beginning of sentence is considered the textese.

http://www.urch.com/forums/fpgee/ann...t-textese.html

An infraction has been given because of the use of 'Textese'. This is the name given in the forums to incorrect English where capital letters are not used where needed, abbreviations used excessively, punctuation is omitted and so on.

Please read this Announcement by Erin.

Please try to use correct English in your future posts.

When only a few members start a sentence without a capital letter or use the textese, it spreads very fast. It appears that everyone will do the same. It is considered the textese. Please help make the forum easy to read. Please do not get mad when you receive the infraction. We are in an academic forum. Please be considerate to readers by posting correct English as much as you can. Thank you for your co-operation.

Good luck on your exam.

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Facts:

Be sure to pass all sections of TOEFL iBT (R21, L18, S26*,W24) before applying for FPGEE. Thousands of candidates passed FPGEE but could not achieve TOEFL requirement after several attempts. Percent passing rate on the speaking section is only 10 percent. (http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/TOEFL...mmary_2008.pdf, page 5)

The average score on the speaking section of the US candidates is 22 and candidates from English speaking countries is 23 (http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/TOEFL...mmary_2008.pdf, p. 9-10.)

Would you like to see changes?

Cilck here ->http://www.aetr.org/index.php to file TOEFL reform
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Old 2007 June 7th, 09:42 PM   #8 (permalink)
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A perspective from a native speaker

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Originally Posted by samir_fpgee
Are we here to discuss about grammetical matter? Does it matter if we use any abbreviation?
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This Announcement by Erin may clarify things.

Concern has been expressed for some time about the growing use of Textese here. Examples include not using capitals at the start of sentences or for I, missing out punctuation and using abbreviations such as thx, thy, bovine mastication, dunno and so on.

Obviously there are occasions when people make mistakes, and not everyone here has perfect English, but there is a feeling that forums devoted to improving English should be used by people who at least try to post in good English. Doing so not only helps people improve their English it also helps others who wish to improve their English and who may be confused by Textese.

Also obviously some posts are brief notes, others may not easily conform to well written English styles. Some abbreviations are in common usage in normal 'correct' English or may be common here (such as PM).

wot we rlly wanna dos stp psts lik (insert demonstrative pronoun here) so pls dont do (insert demonstrative pronoun here) wil u thnx

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Old 2007 June 7th, 09:45 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Here is another explanation


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Even though I don't think that the forum got to a point where readers were unable to understand the posts, I have to say that it is nice to read well written english and we should encourage this.
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Farfoura,

Most posts are intelligible to people who are used to seeing Textese and who have a reasonable command of English. However not everyone here uses Textese so will be confused by it and not everyone here has good English (that's why folk come here!) and they will find Textese impossible to understand.

Also people learning English may think that some Textese words are real English words and may take them into their vocabulary with unfortunate results later.

Incidentally there have been a few amazingly impenetrable Textese posts.

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Facts:

Be sure to pass all sections of TOEFL iBT (R21, L18, S26*,W24) before applying for FPGEE. Thousands of candidates passed FPGEE but could not achieve TOEFL requirement after several attempts. Percent passing rate on the speaking section is only 10 percent. (http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/TOEFL...mmary_2008.pdf, page 5)

The average score on the speaking section of the US candidates is 22 and candidates from English speaking countries is 23 (http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/TOEFL...mmary_2008.pdf, p. 9-10.)

Would you like to see changes?

Cilck here ->http://www.aetr.org/index.php to file TOEFL reform
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Old 2007 June 7th, 10:30 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Good posts, knok. I have to say that for me, reading textese (or as Michael writes, Textese, as if it were a whole new language unto itself) causes me to come to a screeching halt, like riding a bicycle through a patch of sand. I've actually stopped reading almost all the posts in textese.

And I haven't actually said this before, but as the forum founder and admin, I'm actually embarrassed when I see textese here. This forum is the only one that I go to that has so much on it.
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