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ak_barik · 09-04-2008, 09:35 AM

The following is taken from a memo from the advertising director of the Silver Screen Movie Production Company.

"According to a recent report from our marketing department, fewer people attended movies produced by Silver Screen during the past year than in any other year. And yet the percentage of generally favorable comments by movie reviewers about specific Silver Screen movies actually increased during this period. Clearly, the contents of these reviews are not reaching enough of our prospective viewers; so the problem lies not with the quality of our movies but with the public's lack of awareness that movies of good quality are available. Silver Screen should therefore spend more of its budget next year on reaching the public through advertising and less on producing new movies."

MY ANSWER--------------

The argument that public will again start watching movies, produced by Silver Screen(S.S) movie production company, if the company starts spending more of its budget, next year, on reaching the public through advertising and less on producing new movies may seem logical at first glance.However, this argument has several flaws. The writer assumes that the S.S's movies are of good quality based on movie reviewers. The writer also assumes that such good quality movies are not able to reach public because of poor advertisment .This argument also fails to address the type of new public.It also omits necessary evidence.

First, the writer assumes that the S.S's movies are of good quality, based on movie reviewers.The auhor fails to give the exact meaning of 'good quality' here. For e.g, a new movie produced by S.S company is reviewed as good quality, but the movie is all-together boring and dull.Such movies forces people not to watch it.The writer can strenghten her stand by properly explaining the meaning of'good quality'.
Futhermore, the writer assumes that S.S's movies are not able to reach public because of poor advertisment. For e.g, perhaps movies are being reached to public through CDs and internet, and it is for this reason that nobody comes to theatre.The writer can strenghten her stand by providing evidence of why S.S's movies are not able to reach the public.

In addition to the misguided assumptions, the writer also fails to consider what kind of the new public is?Wheather the crowd like action or drama or sex?The writer can strenghten her stand here by providing the required data.

Despite the flaws in the writer's argument , she may be correct in her assessment of how to increase the popularity of S.S's movies.She could strenghten her argument by documenting its most important premises with data.The writer must define the scope of the problem more clearly.

rockybalboa123 · 09-04-2008, 11:51 AM

Hi AK_Barik,
I am also a new-bie like you. But Still I would point out some points about your argument.

1.The first line of your argument
' The argument that public will again start watching movies....' I think this is not a good begining as I have a argument that passively refutes what you wrote ie..-fewer people, but from where .. all across the world or somewhere specific, may be in some country people watch more some places they watch very less?
-how many movies silver screen produced last year, was that more or less that the year previous to last year?
2. Its commendable that you have pointed on ' quality ' which is not clearly specified by the Director/Author.
3. I could not very much understand your example:
For e.g, a new movie produced by S.S company is reviewed as good quality, but the movie is all-together boring and dull.
see, I think a movie is of good quality if its 'good'. so i suppose the changes that it might boring or dull might be kinda less. So rather i would have given the example in such a way : For e.g, a new movie produced by S.S company is reviewed as good quality, but the movie might be rakish for a segment of audience(say youth) and it might be dull for others ( say older men/ middle-aged men.) i suppose this sounds more logical.

4. My mentor told me that, we should not assume things about the arguments, its better to quote and explain rather than speculate the words given in the passage and depict our opinion.
for eg. your words ' poor advertisement' might hint the reader of the argument that somewhere in the subject passage the author might have mentioned about the advertisement to be poor, which i didnt see.. i suppose this is vital coz.. its not always that only because of poor advertisement the movie is not reaching, may be they are advertising through some mode of advertisement which requires less money and that they want to change it , or rather the times are changing and the advertisement which might have been fine some time back is considered less now a days... so what i mean to say is, i would not recommend to write the word poor until its mentioned in the passage.

Now apart from these i have some random flaws like 1. movies, but which movies .. movies for which age group.. not all the movies are meant for all the people.... so may be there is no problem with.
2. geography: which country are we talking about? a specific country or whole world or just a state?
3. who writes those favrable reviews? critics or the general people? many times there are movies which doesnt run well on the box office but it does wonders at oscars/awards. the author need to check if the movies are of that sort?
4. the author concludes that the quality of the movies was good, just by those reviews which are general.. may be he needs to probe that what is the no. of those reviews.. and is it comparable to the no. of movies release.. or is it good enough to consider that the quality of the movie is good? again here the movie might be good for a certain class of people and not good for certain class.. so it depends on people.

Please dont forget to comment on what i wrote, I would love to read about what i wrote.. and ofcourse learn whats wrong in my opiions.. lets make it a learning process.. ;
Chao

P.S.1. I see that after every full stop(.) you have deliberately started the new sentence without a space, which is not recommended. There should be a space before you start a new sentence after every (.)

2. Couple of times you have mentioned 'her' as author, it was hard for me to understand why the author might have been her and not him

just kidding...

ak_barik · 09-06-2008, 03:44 AM

hi..thanks for ur reply.ur reply was good enough. u did tell me a lot about my mistakes. i think my major flaw was that i was not SPECIFIC. If any other major flaw can be seen please let me know. please specify clearly and separately my major flaws that i should remove.

also grade me if possible out of 6.

rockybalboa123 · 09-06-2008, 07:06 AM

Hello Ak_barik, I wish I was good enough to rate your argument. As I am also a beginner I can just talk to you about that. I think it wont be good on my part to rate something on which I am not a Master yet. So, may be we can request Seniors here... What do u say?

09-04-2008, 09:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
ak_barik Trying to make mom and pop proud Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5	CAN ANY1 review my ARGUMENT n REPLY????????.......... The following is taken from a memo from the advertising director of the Silver Screen Movie Production Company. "According to a recent report from our marketing department, fewer people attended movies produced by Silver Screen during the past year than in any other year. And yet the percentage of generally favorable comments by movie reviewers about specific Silver Screen movies actually increased during this period. Clearly, the contents of these reviews are not reaching enough of our prospective viewers; so the problem lies not with the quality of our movies but with the public's lack of awareness that movies of good quality are available. Silver Screen should therefore spend more of its budget next year on reaching the public through advertising and less on producing new movies." MY ANSWER-------------- The argument that public will again start watching movies, produced by Silver Screen(S.S) movie production company, if the company starts spending more of its budget, next year, on reaching the public through advertising and less on producing new movies may seem logical at first glance.However, this argument has several flaws. The writer assumes that the S.S's movies are of good quality based on movie reviewers. The writer also assumes that such good quality movies are not able to reach public because of poor advertisment .This argument also fails to address the type of new public.It also omits necessary evidence. First, the writer assumes that the S.S's movies are of good quality, based on movie reviewers.The auhor fails to give the exact meaning of 'good quality' here. For e.g, a new movie produced by S.S company is reviewed as good quality, but the movie is all-together boring and dull.Such movies forces people not to watch it.The writer can strenghten her stand by properly explaining the meaning of'good quality'. Futhermore, the writer assumes that S.S's movies are not able to reach public because of poor advertisment. For e.g, perhaps movies are being reached to public through CDs and internet, and it is for this reason that nobody comes to theatre.The writer can strenghten her stand by providing evidence of why S.S's movies are not able to reach the public. In addition to the misguided assumptions, the writer also fails to consider what kind of the new public is?Wheather the crowd like action or drama or sex?The writer can strenghten her stand here by providing the required data. Despite the flaws in the writer's argument , she may be correct in her assessment of how to increase the popularity of S.S's movies.She could strenghten her argument by documenting its most important premises with data.The writer must define the scope of the problem more clearly.

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09-04-2008, 11:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
rockybalboa123 I'm not the guy who runs. Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: My own world Posts: 120	Hi AK_Barik, I am also a new-bie like you. But Still I would point out some points about your argument. 1.The first line of your argument ' The argument that public will again start watching movies....' I think this is not a good begining as I have a argument that passively refutes what you wrote ie..-fewer people, but from where .. all across the world or somewhere specific, may be in some country people watch more some places they watch very less? -how many movies silver screen produced last year, was that more or less that the year previous to last year? 2. Its commendable that you have pointed on ' quality ' which is not clearly specified by the Director/Author. 3. I could not very much understand your example: For e.g, a new movie produced by S.S company is reviewed as good quality, but the movie is all-together boring and dull. see, I think a movie is of good quality if its 'good'. so i suppose the changes that it might boring or dull might be kinda less. So rather i would have given the example in such a way : For e.g, a new movie produced by S.S company is reviewed as good quality, but the movie might be rakish for a segment of audience(say youth) and it might be dull for others ( say older men/ middle-aged men.) i suppose this sounds more logical. 4. My mentor told me that, we should not assume things about the arguments, its better to quote and explain rather than speculate the words given in the passage and depict our opinion. for eg. your words ' poor advertisement' might hint the reader of the argument that somewhere in the subject passage the author might have mentioned about the advertisement to be poor, which i didnt see.. i suppose this is vital coz.. its not always that only because of poor advertisement the movie is not reaching, may be they are advertising through some mode of advertisement which requires less money and that they want to change it , or rather the times are changing and the advertisement which might have been fine some time back is considered less now a days... so what i mean to say is, i would not recommend to write the word poor until its mentioned in the passage. Now apart from these i have some random flaws like 1. movies, but which movies .. movies for which age group.. not all the movies are meant for all the people.... so may be there is no problem with. 2. geography: which country are we talking about? a specific country or whole world or just a state? 3. who writes those favrable reviews? critics or the general people? many times there are movies which doesnt run well on the box office but it does wonders at oscars/awards. the author need to check if the movies are of that sort? 4. the author concludes that the quality of the movies was good, just by those reviews which are general.. may be he needs to probe that what is the no. of those reviews.. and is it comparable to the no. of movies release.. or is it good enough to consider that the quality of the movie is good? again here the movie might be good for a certain class of people and not good for certain class.. so it depends on people. Please dont forget to comment on what i wrote, I would love to read about what i wrote.. and ofcourse learn whats wrong in my opiions.. lets make it a learning process.. ; Chao P.S.1. I see that after every full stop(.) you have deliberately started the new sentence without a space, which is not recommended. There should be a space before you start a new sentence after every (.) 2. Couple of times you have mentioned 'her' as author, it was hard for me to understand why the author might have been her and not him just kidding...

09-06-2008, 03:44 AM	#3 (permalink)
ak_barik Trying to make mom and pop proud Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5	hi..thanks for ur reply.ur reply was good enough. u did tell me a lot about my mistakes. i think my major flaw was that i was not SPECIFIC. If any other major flaw can be seen please let me know. please specify clearly and separately my major flaws that i should remove. also grade me if possible out of 6.

09-06-2008, 07:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
rockybalboa123 I'm not the guy who runs. Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: My own world Posts: 120	Hello Ak_barik, I wish I was good enough to rate your argument. As I am also a beginner I can just talk to you about that. I think it wont be good on my part to rate something on which I am not a Master yet. So, may be we can request Seniors here... What do u say?

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