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kridev · 2009 June 19th, 04:25 AM

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110 pharmacy schools are set to be open across the USA

doctorrx1982 · 2009 June 20th, 02:06 AM

Intersting...see what others are saying Pharmacy School opening in Maine now. Bubble has burst! - Student Doctor Network Forums
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Originally Posted by BavarianMWE46

Pharmacists made around $40K starting out back in 1990, which is worth around $65K today. It was a good salary, but not that great considering it was a 5 year degree. THen the retail boom happened and pharmacies were making so much money they could afford to raise salaries to open up all the new pharmacies. Now things are starting to cool off. New pharmacy schools will not stop opening until people think it is not a valuable investment of their time/money. The ACPE has already said they can not and have no interest in stopping pharmacy schools from opening. The PharmD will stop being a hot degree when starting salaries fall to around $65-70K, then people will invest their time elsewhere and schools will stop opening. It is the way a free market capitalist system works.

What you have said is true, but $65-70 k is not a justified starting salary for any "doctor" of a healthcare profession requiring 4 years of rigorous professional education. You don't see dentists and physicians' salaries suddenly decreasing to a starting 70 k salary, do you? No...Unfortunately, pharmacy will NEVER attain the degree of respect it deserves considering there really is no body or organization representing and lobbying on behalf of pharmacists. Medicine, for example, has the AMA to safeguard the rights of its member physicians and the number of schools opening up are limited. Pharmacy is on decline because of a lack of representation; when so many schools are opening up like warehouses/factories, it is no surprise that salaries, the quality of pharmacists, and societal perspective/view of pharmacists and what they do will all deteriorate. WHY should pharmacists have to deal with such a miserable salary after going through 4 years of study, not to mention the 3 or 4 years of undergraduate education? What this shoes me is clearly that pharmacy is inferior to the dental and medical professions because this never happens in those fields. THE PHARMACY PROFESSION IS IN REGRESSION...NOT PROGRESSION. LOL. 65 k? We are headed back to the mid-late 90s in terms of professional salaries instead of going forward. And pretty quickly too. Tell me who in their right mind will want to attend pharmacy school, amass a debt greater than $100 k and, and then eat potatoes and green beans the rest of their lives after working so hard? I finished my first year of pharmacy school with flying color and enjoyed the material, but at this point, I seriously regret having chosen this profession.

For the amount of work I'm putting in and the demands and everything, I might as well have gone into medicine and rest assured that paying my dues in school will pay off professionally and financially. Like I said, as a physician, no matter what happens to the economy, salaries would NEVER take such a steep plunge as in pharmacy. Jesus...i mean, I would understand a drop in salary in pharmacy from $110-120 to $95 k. That would be acceptable..But for salaries to be cut by nearly half, that's just unacceptable considering the years of schooling required AND even more importantly, the vow of poverty many graduates will suffer from when they realize they're making $65 k and have $140,000 in student loans to pay. This is utterly ridiculous and i think we all know it. IT IS A SHAME TO THE PROFESSION, IF YOU CAN EVEN CALL IT THAT ANYMORE.

So much for the projections statisticians and other professionals have made for years about the bright future of pharmacy and the "SHORTAGE" of pharmacists in the coming years. And you know what, guys? Don't be surprised if salaries plunge below $60-65-70 k. For all we know, they may go down to $50,000. The PharmD will become a complete joke and more than ever, physicians and society will look at it derisively.

You want to know what I don't understand personally? Considering the aging baby boomers, the prevalence of chronic diseases, and new and emerging pharmaceutical agents/technologies arising, I don't understand how we could ever truly have a surplus. One would think that with the number of older people, new medicines, etc... the pharmacist shortage will never be met. At this point, I'm starting to think there was never a shortage to begin with and this is all bs. How quickly we've not only reached the equilibrium point in the market for pharmacists, but just look how suddenly we've reached saturation because of these other schools opening up. Some shortage leading to surplus suddenly.

With all due respect, I think many of you guys should just open your eyes and stop living in this dream world that pharmacy is such a great profession still. IT'S NOT. It was at one point, but like i said, it's regressing. It's aging backwards. Pharmacy will never attain respect. We need a lobbying body to put a stop to this nonsense just like the AMA protects salaries for physicians, number of medical schools, etc... Once STANDARDS are set in place, ONLY THEN will pharmacy truly be a profession. Good luck to all you guys who are in my position and will graduate with >100k in loans and will live out your lives in misery trying to pay them off on a 60 k salary. Forget your dreams. Forget having a family. Forget having a nice home, a comfy car. Forget that. I guess the standard in the US is to go to school for a healthcare profession such as pharmacy for 8 years (4 years of college, 4 years of pharm school), graduate with thousands of dollars in loans, and slave your life to pay off loans. Many times, the LEAST EDUCATED people are the ones truly making money and living comfortably. It's amazing. I know people with 2 years of education making 65 k. LOL. Pharmacy is no longer respectable. 65 k? To hell with that. Dentists, physicians, optometrists, etc.. go to school for 4 years of professional education and make a six-figure salary that is well deserved. We don't deserve such a crappy salary.

Don't get me wrong. I enjoy pharmacy, I've worked in the field and this is what I've wanted to do. However, I don't lie to myself like many people do and say I'm going to school merely to help people. A prostitute can also help people, i.e. sexually. I'm going to school because i'm genuinely interested in learning pharmacology and about the profession, i want to practice it, BUT i also want to be compensated for paying my dues in school. Good pay, great employment opportunities, etc... Hiring freezes? Saturation? This is all disaster. For some people to say, "Oh, you kids want everything easy and have never worked in the real world, blah blah blah". To hell with that. Sure, I just turned 23 but why should I have to work any harder to find a good job? When you go to school for 8 years and put in all that work, that's it. You should be done and doors should be open for you. Why work harder? WTF? Only 8% of the US population has a graduate degree in the first place and people telling me and others we just want a "pie in the sky?" No. If i've been in school for many years, I should finally see an end to the blackness and get rewarded.

But whatever, there is no reward. To hell with it all.

knok · 2009 June 20th, 04:04 AM

It is not too late to change his career though. It is just the beginning of your career path. If you expect too much, you will be disappointed. I will stress again. If you want to be rich, do something else. Several of my classmates do something else that are not related to pharmacy. ( about half of my classmates). To tell you the truth, in my time, entrance exam scores of pharmacy students were higher than dentist students. I am in late 40's. Or you can go to China, India to open pharmaceutical companies overthere. LOL...

michalina · 2009 June 20th, 07:01 AM

Its good news for the medical students...
and for those who wants to set their future in pharmacy..

habo · 2009 June 21st, 05:46 PM

So still six years untill the students of that 110 pharmacy schools get graduated ,,,, so still long time ,,, don't worry guys the market will expand parallely

doctorrx1982 · 2009 July 1st, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by habo

So still six years untill the students of that 110 pharmacy schools get graduated ,,,, so still long time ,,, don't worry guys the market will expand parallely

Thats very positive thinking . I like it . But what do say about the treatment for foreign pharmacists in Walgreens, CVS and Rite-aid ? They are treated like H1-Slaves ..... One of my african american friend make fun all the time. He says they were brought to the country because of uneducation and poverty. These chain pharmacies are brining educated people as slaves under H1 visa .... This is very true i guess . Bye the way slaves were not paid well . But we think we are paid well ( educated right ?) ....This is myth until u get in to the job . Ask any pharmacist in these chains who are missing lunches every day , threatned by supervisors to go to the pharmacy when ever they call (not overtime), no fixed schedules, will be fired if you call sick or not filling fast ..list goes on like Mikale Jackson popularity and are getting ready for future SIDE EFEECTs of all these stresses ...LOL ..welcome to pharmacist world .

See these videos
Walgreens Pharmacists Say Speed Could Kill (2006)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNhB935z8Mg

What happend in 2007 ( See the tears in her mom eyes and the poor little daughter )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT5GJL0tEto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxT8Gb4tp1

Anyway ..jobs would be there..but exploitation will be more..Any mistake pharmacist will lose job and companies will run with another H1 slave ...

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2009 June 20th, 02:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
doctorrx1982 I JUST got here. Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3	Intersting...see what others are saying Pharmacy School opening in Maine now. Bubble has burst! - Student Doctor Network Forums Quote: Originally Posted by BavarianMWE46 Pharmacists made around $40K starting out back in 1990, which is worth around $65K today. It was a good salary, but not that great considering it was a 5 year degree. THen the retail boom happened and pharmacies were making so much money they could afford to raise salaries to open up all the new pharmacies. Now things are starting to cool off. New pharmacy schools will not stop opening until people think it is not a valuable investment of their time/money. The ACPE has already said they can not and have no interest in stopping pharmacy schools from opening. The PharmD will stop being a hot degree when starting salaries fall to around $65-70K, then people will invest their time elsewhere and schools will stop opening. It is the way a free market capitalist system works. What you have said is true, but $65-70 k is not a justified starting salary for any "doctor" of a healthcare profession requiring 4 years of rigorous professional education. You don't see dentists and physicians' salaries suddenly decreasing to a starting 70 k salary, do you? No...Unfortunately, pharmacy will NEVER attain the degree of respect it deserves considering there really is no body or organization representing and lobbying on behalf of pharmacists. Medicine, for example, has the AMA to safeguard the rights of its member physicians and the number of schools opening up are limited. Pharmacy is on decline because of a lack of representation; when so many schools are opening up like warehouses/factories, it is no surprise that salaries, the quality of pharmacists, and societal perspective/view of pharmacists and what they do will all deteriorate. WHY should pharmacists have to deal with such a miserable salary after going through 4 years of study, not to mention the 3 or 4 years of undergraduate education? What this shoes me is clearly that pharmacy is inferior to the dental and medical professions because this never happens in those fields. THE PHARMACY PROFESSION IS IN REGRESSION...NOT PROGRESSION. LOL. 65 k? We are headed back to the mid-late 90s in terms of professional salaries instead of going forward. And pretty quickly too. Tell me who in their right mind will want to attend pharmacy school, amass a debt greater than $100 k and, and then eat potatoes and green beans the rest of their lives after working so hard? I finished my first year of pharmacy school with flying color and enjoyed the material, but at this point, I seriously regret having chosen this profession. For the amount of work I'm putting in and the demands and everything, I might as well have gone into medicine and rest assured that paying my dues in school will pay off professionally and financially. Like I said, as a physician, no matter what happens to the economy, salaries would NEVER take such a steep plunge as in pharmacy. Jesus...i mean, I would understand a drop in salary in pharmacy from $110-120 to $95 k. That would be acceptable..But for salaries to be cut by nearly half, that's just unacceptable considering the years of schooling required AND even more importantly, the vow of poverty many graduates will suffer from when they realize they're making $65 k and have $140,000 in student loans to pay. This is utterly ridiculous and i think we all know it. IT IS A SHAME TO THE PROFESSION, IF YOU CAN EVEN CALL IT THAT ANYMORE. So much for the projections statisticians and other professionals have made for years about the bright future of pharmacy and the "SHORTAGE" of pharmacists in the coming years. And you know what, guys? Don't be surprised if salaries plunge below $60-65-70 k. For all we know, they may go down to $50,000. The PharmD will become a complete joke and more than ever, physicians and society will look at it derisively. You want to know what I don't understand personally? Considering the aging baby boomers, the prevalence of chronic diseases, and new and emerging pharmaceutical agents/technologies arising, I don't understand how we could ever truly have a surplus. One would think that with the number of older people, new medicines, etc... the pharmacist shortage will never be met. At this point, I'm starting to think there was never a shortage to begin with and this is all bs. How quickly we've not only reached the equilibrium point in the market for pharmacists, but just look how suddenly we've reached saturation because of these other schools opening up. Some shortage leading to surplus suddenly. With all due respect, I think many of you guys should just open your eyes and stop living in this dream world that pharmacy is such a great profession still. IT'S NOT. It was at one point, but like i said, it's regressing. It's aging backwards. Pharmacy will never attain respect. We need a lobbying body to put a stop to this nonsense just like the AMA protects salaries for physicians, number of medical schools, etc... Once STANDARDS are set in place, ONLY THEN will pharmacy truly be a profession. Good luck to all you guys who are in my position and will graduate with >100k in loans and will live out your lives in misery trying to pay them off on a 60 k salary. Forget your dreams. Forget having a family. Forget having a nice home, a comfy car. Forget that. I guess the standard in the US is to go to school for a healthcare profession such as pharmacy for 8 years (4 years of college, 4 years of pharm school), graduate with thousands of dollars in loans, and slave your life to pay off loans. Many times, the LEAST EDUCATED people are the ones truly making money and living comfortably. It's amazing. I know people with 2 years of education making 65 k. LOL. Pharmacy is no longer respectable. 65 k? To hell with that. Dentists, physicians, optometrists, etc.. go to school for 4 years of professional education and make a six-figure salary that is well deserved. We don't deserve such a crappy salary. Don't get me wrong. I enjoy pharmacy, I've worked in the field and this is what I've wanted to do. However, I don't lie to myself like many people do and say I'm going to school merely to help people. A prostitute can also help people, i.e. sexually. I'm going to school because i'm genuinely interested in learning pharmacology and about the profession, i want to practice it, BUT i also want to be compensated for paying my dues in school. Good pay, great employment opportunities, etc... Hiring freezes? Saturation? This is all disaster. For some people to say, "Oh, you kids want everything easy and have never worked in the real world, blah blah blah". To hell with that. Sure, I just turned 23 but why should I have to work any harder to find a good job? When you go to school for 8 years and put in all that work, that's it. You should be done and doors should be open for you. Why work harder? WTF? Only 8% of the US population has a graduate degree in the first place and people telling me and others we just want a "pie in the sky?" No. If i've been in school for many years, I should finally see an end to the blackness and get rewarded. But whatever, there is no reward. To hell with it all.

2009 June 20th, 07:01 AM	#4 (permalink)
michalina I JUST got here. Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3	Its good news for the medical students... and for those who wants to set their future in pharmacy..

2009 June 21st, 05:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
habo Eager! Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 51	So still six years untill the students of that 110 pharmacy schools get graduated ,,,, so still long time ,,, don't worry guys the market will expand parallely

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