Let's get together to send the TOEFL iBT complaint to ETS and NABP

[knok]

Hi everyone,

Please give your opinion about what you want to say to NABP.

These are what we are planing to write to NABP:

1. Those who already passed TOEFL should have not to retake the whole TOEFL iBT. If NABP wants us to retake TOEFL iBT, the total score of writing, reading, and listening of 80 should be enough (80=550) since we already passed the TOEFL.

2. NABP should allow us to take only the speaking test. There are many tests that offer a speaking test such as IELTS.

3. Cancel all the speaking tests if NABP cannot find a valid test.

4. It seems that it is impossible for TOEFL iBT to provide face to face interview, therefore, TOEFL iBT should not be only the mandatory test.

5. Please suggest if you have any idea.

We will write a letter to NABP and enclose TOEFL iBT Complaint.

Thank you for your input.

Knok

[himanshu288]

Hi knok,

These are some of my inputs in ETS draft.
Test times are 8 am, 9 a.m and sometimes 10:30 are there. I never experienced about test time which is 4:00 a.m. or 6 a.m. so plz check it knok.

As per my thought 8, 9 and 10:30 are good time for every test takers but 6:00 p.m.,7 p.m. and 10 p.m are not good and very inconvenient.

Why it is available only on friday, saturday only . what about 3-4 days in a week.

In separating speaking section, you can write that ETS can again separate TOEFL and TSE or TOEFL speaking and writing part. That's way ETS can decrese length of test time, so offer more timing schedule to test takers. Meanwhile if students do not get the sufficient score in speaking and writing then they can only take that part again so less headache to Students.

Unusually high failure rate
In TSE we have 9-10 questions while in TOEFLiBT we have only 6 questions but the score level is same. so to get 26 we have to do well in almost all questions that's really tough.

Vague evaluation
We have to received individual evaluation of all 6 topics because all topics are different and so our performances will be different. so individual evaluation to judge our weak points is necessary.
we never know how is our recording?

Please mention all these topics if you think its proper.

Sorry for late response.

[knok]

Originally Posted by himanshu288

Hi knok,

These are some of my inputs in ETS draft.
Test times are 8 am, 9 a.m and sometimes 10:30 are there. I never experienced about test time which is 4:00 a.m. or 6 a.m. so please check it knok.

Sorry for late response.

My friends saw it and laughed. I saw it myself for the test time at 9 p.m.

For other points, I am going to edit it write now. If anyone can find the percentile of current TOEFL iBT on the speaking section, please post here. I saw only on the studying group that ETS posted in its official web site.

I remember that 2 years ago, it was 97 percentile. After I posted the link in our forum only 2 weeks, the figure was updated by ETS to 86 percentile. To make sure, this time, I have to print it out before it may be changed by ETS again. HTML format can be updated easily. It is not like printed materials.

Knok

[knok]

Dear test takers,

I rearranged the content in the order of importance and added some suggestions and quote. Also, I took out some weak arguments.

What do you think?

Best regards.

Knok

[emac]

Hi Knok,
I am new to this Forum and I am very glad to know about this complaint you all are trying to file with ETS and NABP. It brings my hope back. I've taken the test 3 times already and the max I can get in the speaking section is 23.

As you know the test has not been proven to be effective, the main reason is that the average native speakers would never get more than 26 in the speaking and 24 in the writting sections. Therefore, one of the point of our complaint should be that NABP set the requirement of language proficiency in a level that even for a native is hard to reach.

The 2nd point is related to civil and human rights; to set a language requirement in such a high level is discriminatory, remember language is not knowledge, language is intrinsic to national origin and identity but never should be a measure of knowledge.

The 3rd point has to do with the score; according to ETS officials a 23 is an acceptable score, meaning that you are able to communicate in english very well, so what is NABP pursuing in setting such a high score for some who was raised and educated in a different language?

There are a lot more points to question this exam and language requirement, but the above is what I consider the strongest ones.

Let me know when the draft is ready, I would be pleased to endorse it as one more of the 1000's out there that are being humilliated by such frustrating task.

[emac]

Originally Posted by knok

Hi everyone,

Please give your opinion about what you want to say to NABP.

These are what we are planing to write to NABP:

1. Those who already passed TOEFL should have not to retake the whole TOEFL iBT. If NABP wants us to retake TOEFL iBT, the total score of writing, reading, and listening of 80 should be enough (80=550) since we already passed the TOEFL.

2. NABP should allow us to take only the speaking test. There are many tests that offer a speaking test such as IELTS.

3. Cancel all the speaking tests if NABP cannot find a valid test.

4. It seems that it is impossible for TOEFL iBT to provide face to face interview, therefore, TOEFL iBT should not be only the mandatory test.

5. Please suggest if you have any idea.

We will write a letter to NABP and enclose TOEFL iBT Complaint.

Thank you for your input.

Knok

Two more inputs:

NABP should set a minimum of overall score and do not separate by sections ex. 90
I suggest to file the complaint also with the followin Institution to fight for our rights,

U.S. Commission on Civil Rights
624 9th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20425
Phone: (202) 376-8513/Toll-Free: (800) 552-6843
TTY: (202) 376-8116
E-Mail: ocre01@attglobal.net
Website: www.usccr.gov

Agency Information/Mission: The United States Commission on Civil Rights (Commission) is an independent, bipartisan, fact-finding agency of the executive branch established under the Civil Rights Act of 1957. The Commission has the following mandate:

• Investigate complaints alleging that citizens are being deprived of their right to vote by reason of their race, color, religion, sex, age, disability, or national origin, or by reason of fraudulent practices;
• Study and collect information relating to discrimination or a denial of equal protection of the laws under the Constitution because of race, color, religion, sex, age, disability, or national origin, or in the administration of justice;
• Appraise Federal laws and policies with respect to discrimination or denial of equal protection of the laws because of race, color, religion, sex, age, disability, or national origin, or in the administration of justice;
• Serve as a national clearinghouse for information in respect to discrimination or denial of equal protection of the laws because of race, color, religion, sex, age, disability, or national origin;
• Submit reports, findings, and recommendations to the President and Congress;
• Issue public service announcements to discourage discrimination or denial of equal protection of the laws.

[knok]

Thanks emac for your contribution. I hope to finish the draft soon. It is 90 percent done.

I'll put that in the letter to NABP. Also, about the civil rights, NJ attorney general used to send our TSE complaint to civil rights department of NJ. I am not sure that it is the same one. I sent the TSE complaint to NJ attorney general a year back and this department forwarded my letter to the civil rights department. Then, I haven't heard anything from them.

However, I think that it is a good idea to send to this address you advised above as well. We will make it right. All my teachers helped edit this letter and suggested a lot of good points. I am doing to an appendix about the test centers.

For English and ESL teachers in this forum, I will be really appreciate your advice if you have any.

[emac]

Knok,
U.S. Commission of Civil Rights is the Federal agency that watch for civil rights violation and they report directly to the President and the Congress, is better in our efforts to address Federal with copies to the 50 States agency. I would like to have both complains NABP and ETS sent to my e-mail so I can file it with the correspondent agency and board of Pharmacy of Florida.

[knok]

Emac,

Thank you for your message. I agree that we should file the complaint to this organization.

Hi everyone,

This is the forth draft for TOEFL iBT Complaint. What do you think? I also attach the appendix explaining the problem about test centers. Please briefly describe problems you and your friends experiences during the tests in the table as an evidence.

I already filled up in the table but do not post it here because we are likely to have different details about test centers.

All test takers please take your time to fill up the details if you have any. That will make our complaint stronger. If you don't have, don't worry about it.

Thank you for your effort and contribution.


Best Regards,

Knok

[emac]

Hey knok,
two more inputs for NABP
- They should set an overall score min. of 90 which is 75% of the Test.
- If they keep separating the score by section then they have to reduce the score of the Speaking section to 23 or 24 which is considered a good level of language proficiency by ETS. Why do they accept intermediate scores of 18 in Listening and 21 in Reading, but not in the Speaking and Writting. What's the difference? It does not make sense.
keep up with the good work, thanks