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knok · 2009 May 28th, 08:08 PM

These are 140 articles related to Pharmacist shortage.

http://www.urch.com/forums/pharmacy-...-shortage.html (Articles related to pharmacist shortage!)

knok · 2009 May 28th, 08:11 PM

Information from HRSA (Government Entity)

Adequacy/Shortage of Pharmacists 2004-2030

The Adequacy of Pharmacist Supply: 2004 to 2030

I do not convince anyone to come to the USA since the economy is not doing well. If financial gain is the only motive, opening your own pharmacy in your home country would be a better decision for now.

The slides were made from more than 100 articles that I posted on the above post.

knok · 2009 May 28th, 09:34 PM

aquaforce · 2009 May 28th, 11:34 PM

No more shortages in the pharmacy profession, infact walgreens are laying off pharmacists and technicians. A lot of qualified international pharmacists are looking for intern positions for months and months, and many of them are permenant residents (Green card holders). This is the reality Knok, not what has been quoted in these articles. Most of these article were forcasting and projecting the future of the pharmacy profession based on shortages existed few years ago. Do you know that 10 years ago there were about 75 pharmacy schools nationwide, and by 2010 we going to have more than 100 schools. This is the sad reality, the job market here in America will be so saturated for pharmacists, and soon a lot of us will have to settle for any job thrown at us.

Best Careers 2009: Pharmacist - US News and World Report

knok · 2009 May 29th, 07:00 AM

That might be true. That's why I said, "I do not convince anyone to migrate at this time", but for those who have other reasons to stay, I am not sure what I would say.

The economy is a main factor this year. Banks cannot offer loans and businesses cannot expand. However, let's see in the future. Baby Boomer is another factor that will increase prescription volume. It is normal for businesses in the US to lay off employees in a tough time. It happens. When sales drop in one store in an area, the other will usually grow. Of course, sales growth may not be as aggressively high as it used to be.

For International pharmacists who migrate for financial gain, I would pay more attention to US dollars value and depreciation before other factors. Five years from now, dollar value may drop. An important phenomenon is outsourcing that is the main factor that makes middle class people lose their jobs.

My friends from India told me that India has had a lot of job opportunities. Almost everything is outsourced to India. I hope that pharmacist jobs won't be sent out to other countries by using Information Technology some day by giving an excuse that shortage of pharmacists is the main cause of outsourcing. That would be scary for American pharmacists more than anything else. My major is also Information Technology. Once outsourcing starts, it will happen so fast. If the shortage is real and America cannot find pharmacists, who will suffer?

In some areas, it is saturated but others are in need. We may just need to work harder to find jobs if we have to stay for some reason. Some hospitals do not have pharmacists after midnight because they cannot find pharmacists. I would say that "shortage or not" depends on regulations and how high standard pharmacy board will set for pharmacy industry. If the board allows a pharmacist to fill 500 prescriptions per day, the shortage may not be severe in that context. Pharmacists suffer anyway. Store owners don't want to pay for 2 pharmacists because of high salaries of pharmacists while pharmacists choose to work only 4 days a week because of being strain during their work. It depends on perspectives. I won't argue with anyone whether it has shortage or not. Shortage may disappear immediately if, one day, pharmacy board allows pharmacy which runs overnight do the same as some hospitals.

Anything that is out of balance causes problems seriously either way. It depends on standard of "Patient Safety."

aquaforce · 2009 May 29th, 08:12 AM

knok, I think you are out of touch with the pharmacy profession here in America. The profession is moving so fast that in few years it will be way different from what it is now. The current economic problems has a small effect on it. Big cooperates like Walgreens and walmart and CVS are planning for ahead, they are coming up with so many ideas and projects to deal with pharmacist shortages.

The new project that walgreens introduced in Orlando florida is a prime example. It is called POWER project, and because of it, pharmacy jobs are scarce out. This is one of many projects they are trying out. Imagine this project displaces close to 50 pharmacists and technician from stores and make them redundant. Even with baby boomers expected increase in prescription volume, they will be more than equiped to deal with it. Honestly, the retail pharmacy will be dramatically changed forever, and the sad part of this, things will be much harder for inernational pharmacists.

One last note here, I am not talking here about those who are here for financial reasons, but this is across the board, everyone will be affected.

knok · 2009 May 29th, 07:01 PM

Aquaforce,

Thank you for sharing information. My friend is working for Walgreens, Orlando. Are you in that area? Probably, you know him. I knew long time ago that Walgreens asked for early retired of 400 pharmacists in FL. Another friend of mine is working for Walgreens in San Diego.

Please feel free to post the update here.

aquaforce · 2009 June 2nd, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by knok

Aquaforce,

Thank you for sharing information. My friend is working for Walgreens, Orlando. Are you in that area? Probably, you know him. I knew long time ago that Walgreens asked for early retired of 400 pharmacists in FL. Another friend of mine is working for Walgreens in San Diego.

Please feel free to post the update here.

Thanks knok, I am currently in san diego, and I have been looking for intership here for the last 2-3 months with no luck. My best friend and who was my class mate back in England works for wags in orlando florida. The situation out there is pretty grim for international pharmacists. Thats why I advice all international pharmacists to accept any position offered to them, rural remoted or deserted areas. As far as you can do your 1500 hours of intership, take it!

bibo1 · 2009 June 4th, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aquaforce

Thanks knok, I am currently in san diego, and I have been looking for intership here for the last 2-3 months with no luck. My best friend and who was my class mate back in England works for wags in orlando florida. The situation out there is pretty grim for international pharmacists. Thats why I advice all international pharmacists to accept any position offered to them, rural remoted or deserted areas. As far as you can do your 1500 hours of intership, take it!

that is true
i stayed 4 months at home before i found my internship
i started on may 26th
getting paid 12/hr
and it is so hard for me
but i want to finish those hours

3ar · 2009 June 8th, 09:06 PM

I am located in St.Louis, Missouri and have passed FPGEE and TOEFL-iBT. In fact I was trying to pass the TOEFL speaking portion since a long time and have finally got 27 after rescoring. Whew!!! I had couple quick questions.

1. How long does it take for the FPFEC certificate to arrive?
2. How do I go about becoming a pharmacy intern in Missouri?
e.g. Do I contact Missouri Pharmacy Board first or do I start applying for
internship positions in pharmacy chains?

Any help wd be appreciated. Thanks.

2009 May 28th, 08:08 PM	#21 (permalink)
knok TestMagic Guru Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,187	These are 140 articles related to Pharmacist shortage. http://www.urch.com/forums/pharmacy-...-shortage.html (Articles related to pharmacist shortage!) _ _ _ _ SIG _ _ _ _ Facts: Be sure to pass all sections of TOEFL iBT (R21, L18, S26*,W24) before applying for FPGEE. Thousands of candidates passed FPGEE but could not achieve TOEFL requirement after several attempts. Percent passing rate on the speaking section is only 10 percent. (http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/TOEFL...mmary_2008.pdf, page 5) The average score on the speaking section of the US candidates is 22 and candidates from English speaking countries is 23 (http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/TOEFL...mmary_2008.pdf, p. 9-10.) Would you like to see changes? Cilck here ->http://www.aetr.org/index.php to file TOEFL reform

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knok TestMagic Guru Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,187	Information from HRSA (Government Entity) Adequacy/Shortage of Pharmacists 2004-2030 The Adequacy of Pharmacist Supply: 2004 to 2030 I do not convince anyone to come to the USA since the economy is not doing well. If financial gain is the only motive, opening your own pharmacy in your home country would be a better decision for now. The slides were made from more than 100 articles that I posted on the above post. _ _ _ _ SIG _ _ _ _ Facts: Be sure to pass all sections of TOEFL iBT (R21, L18, S26,W24) before applying for FPGEE. Thousands of candidates passed FPGEE but could not achieve TOEFL requirement after several attempts. Percent passing rate on the speaking section is only 10 percent. (http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/TOEFL...mmary_2008.pdf, page 5) The average score on the speaking section of the US candidates is 22 and candidates from English speaking countries is 23 (http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/TOEFL...mmary_2008.pdf, p. 9-10.) Would you like to see changes? Cilck here ->http://www.aetr.org/index.php to file TOEFL reform Last edited by knok : 2009 May 28th at 09:36 PM.*

2009 May 29th, 07:00 AM	#25 (permalink)
knok TestMagic Guru Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,187	That might be true. That's why I said, "I do not convince anyone to migrate at this time", but for those who have other reasons to stay, I am not sure what I would say. The economy is a main factor this year. Banks cannot offer loans and businesses cannot expand. However, let's see in the future. Baby Boomer is another factor that will increase prescription volume. It is normal for businesses in the US to lay off employees in a tough time. It happens. When sales drop in one store in an area, the other will usually grow. Of course, sales growth may not be as aggressively high as it used to be. For International pharmacists who migrate for financial gain, I would pay more attention to US dollars value and depreciation before other factors. Five years from now, dollar value may drop. An important phenomenon is outsourcing that is the main factor that makes middle class people lose their jobs. My friends from India told me that India has had a lot of job opportunities. Almost everything is outsourced to India. I hope that pharmacist jobs won't be sent out to other countries by using Information Technology some day by giving an excuse that shortage of pharmacists is the main cause of outsourcing. That would be scary for American pharmacists more than anything else. My major is also Information Technology. Once outsourcing starts, it will happen so fast. If the shortage is real and America cannot find pharmacists, who will suffer? In some areas, it is saturated but others are in need. We may just need to work harder to find jobs if we have to stay for some reason. Some hospitals do not have pharmacists after midnight because they cannot find pharmacists. I would say that "shortage or not" depends on regulations and how high standard pharmacy board will set for pharmacy industry. If the board allows a pharmacist to fill 500 prescriptions per day, the shortage may not be severe in that context. Pharmacists suffer anyway. Store owners don't want to pay for 2 pharmacists because of high salaries of pharmacists while pharmacists choose to work only 4 days a week because of being strain during their work. It depends on perspectives. I won't argue with anyone whether it has shortage or not. Shortage may disappear immediately if, one day, pharmacy board allows pharmacy which runs overnight do the same as some hospitals. Anything that is out of balance causes problems seriously either way. It depends on standard of "Patient Safety." _ _ _ _ SIG _ _ _ _ Facts: Be sure to pass all sections of TOEFL iBT (R21, L18, S26,W24) before applying for FPGEE. Thousands of candidates passed FPGEE but could not achieve TOEFL requirement after several attempts. Percent passing rate on the speaking section is only 10 percent. (http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/TOEFL...mmary_2008.pdf, page 5) The average score on the speaking section of the US candidates is 22 and candidates from English speaking countries is 23 (http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/TOEFL...mmary_2008.pdf, p. 9-10.) Would you like to see changes? Cilck here ->http://www.aetr.org/index.php to file TOEFL reform Last edited by knok : 2009 May 29th at 07:34 AM.*

2009 May 29th, 07:01 PM	#27 (permalink)
knok TestMagic Guru Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,187	Aquaforce, Thank you for sharing information. My friend is working for Walgreens, Orlando. Are you in that area? Probably, you know him. I knew long time ago that Walgreens asked for early retired of 400 pharmacists in FL. Another friend of mine is working for Walgreens in San Diego. Please feel free to post the update here. _ _ _ _ SIG _ _ _ _ Facts: Be sure to pass all sections of TOEFL iBT (R21, L18, S26*,W24) before applying for FPGEE. Thousands of candidates passed FPGEE but could not achieve TOEFL requirement after several attempts. Percent passing rate on the speaking section is only 10 percent. (http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/TOEFL...mmary_2008.pdf, page 5) The average score on the speaking section of the US candidates is 22 and candidates from English speaking countries is 23 (http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/TOEFL...mmary_2008.pdf, p. 9-10.) Would you like to see changes? Cilck here ->http://www.aetr.org/index.php to file TOEFL reform

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2009 May 28th, 11:34 PM	#24 (permalink)
aquaforce I JUST got here. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 23	No more shortages in the pharmacy profession, infact walgreens are laying off pharmacists and technicians. A lot of qualified international pharmacists are looking for intern positions for months and months, and many of them are permenant residents (Green card holders). This is the reality Knok, not what has been quoted in these articles. Most of these article were forcasting and projecting the future of the pharmacy profession based on shortages existed few years ago. Do you know that 10 years ago there were about 75 pharmacy schools nationwide, and by 2010 we going to have more than 100 schools. This is the sad reality, the job market here in America will be so saturated for pharmacists, and soon a lot of us will have to settle for any job thrown at us. Best Careers 2009: Pharmacist - US News and World Report

2009 May 29th, 08:12 AM	#26 (permalink)
aquaforce I JUST got here. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 23	knok, I think you are out of touch with the pharmacy profession here in America. The profession is moving so fast that in few years it will be way different from what it is now. The current economic problems has a small effect on it. Big cooperates like Walgreens and walmart and CVS are planning for ahead, they are coming up with so many ideas and projects to deal with pharmacist shortages. The new project that walgreens introduced in Orlando florida is a prime example. It is called POWER project, and because of it, pharmacy jobs are scarce out. This is one of many projects they are trying out. Imagine this project displaces close to 50 pharmacists and technician from stores and make them redundant. Even with baby boomers expected increase in prescription volume, they will be more than equiped to deal with it. Honestly, the retail pharmacy will be dramatically changed forever, and the sad part of this, things will be much harder for inernational pharmacists. One last note here, I am not talking here about those who are here for financial reasons, but this is across the board, everyone will be affected.

2009 June 8th, 09:06 PM	#30 (permalink)
3ar I JUST got here. Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5	I am located in St.Louis, Missouri and have passed FPGEE and TOEFL-iBT. In fact I was trying to pass the TOEFL speaking portion since a long time and have finally got 27 after rescoring. Whew!!! I had couple quick questions. 1. How long does it take for the FPFEC certificate to arrive? 2. How do I go about becoming a pharmacy intern in Missouri? e.g. Do I contact Missouri Pharmacy Board first or do I start applying for internship positions in pharmacy chains? Any help wd be appreciated. Thanks.

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