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Naijaman · 04-11-2008, 02:20 AM

Hi,

I am currently completing year 5 as a math teacher from a public high school in Queens, NY. I have paid my dues, and I have had enough of the public school classroom, and the paycheck that accompanies it. I have minimal experience in management or finance, but I have 3 degrees.
Here is my background:

B.S. Computer Science, 3.2 GPA (not too great school)

Two master's degrees:
M.A. Economics, 3.3 GPA (public univ.)
M.A. Education, 3.9 GPA (mid-tier private univ.)

Test Scores
GMAT: 720 (95%ile) -- 48Q, 41V
GRE: 730Q, 600V, 580A

Work experience:
1+ year in IT
5 years as a teacher

I'm told that I would pretty much be a lock for nearly any MBA Finance program given my educational, work, and general background, but my parents are West African immigrants, and I guess they would feel validated if I did a doctorate, especially from a top tier school.

BESIDES, I DON'T WANT A THIRD MASTER'S DEGREE!!!

I would primarily be interested in finance, but would also be open to applying to such programs as:
- Applied Economics
- Real Estate
- General Management with a relevant minor
** I took a couple of doctoral level courses in economics, but I would like to study less hypothetical and more specific scenarios involving business, real estate finance as it relates to stock market behavior.

I have pretty specific purposes for my sudy, which would be specified in my letter of intent, which should be strong. I could also get 2 decent letters of rec.

What are my chances of getting into a top 20 program in any of these fields?

ginmanga · 04-11-2008, 03:25 AM

Most Ph.D programs require 3 LORs, and you will need them to be very strong in order to get admitted into a top 20 program in any field.

AstralTraveller · 04-11-2008, 03:27 AM

Hello, Naijaman. Welcome to the forum.

This might seem irrelevant, but would you mind telling us how old are you? I might be considered almost old for some admissions standards, and I'm just 25.

About doctoral studies, the most important thing is research inclination. Don't do a PhD unless you want to do research. Even if it's a third master's degree, an MBA is not a bad idea if you want to work in real business settings.

Your GMAT is very good, your GRE-Q not so much. Secure good letters of recommendation from academics who know you well and can speak wonders about you, and who can tell you're serious about academia, and about research, despite your long tenure away from university.

Surely I'm forgetting other details, but I'm really sleepy now. Somebody else will help with what I have forgotten, I'm sure.

Ah, two things:
- Admissions are quite competitive, even for programs outside the first tiers.
- Application is one of the most misarable periods of your life. I can't believe it is not over yet. I have prepared my applications for over two years, and can't believe it could still take me another extra year if my waitlists don't roll

ginmanga · 04-11-2008, 03:30 AM

I think that applicants to b-school programs are, on average, a lot older than the econ applicants. I think AT is still quite young!!!

EE570 · 04-11-2008, 03:57 AM

I would reiterate what AT said. Don't bother with a PhD unless you are very interested in research. You will need that passion to finish the PhD or to have much success in the academic world post PhD.

calchas · 04-11-2008, 04:38 PM

Since you are in the NYC area, if you are a US Citizen, NYU (Stern) which is ranked high for finance, offers a FREE pre-doctoral program for US Citizens, especially minorities, along with a living stipend..

You can take as many necessary upper level math and econ courses as well as getting recommendations and great help for applying to PhD programs...

If you take those courses, retake the GRE and get a 780+ quant score and impress a couple of faculty at NYU to get great Letters of Recommendation, your chances of top 15-20 will be pretty good.

Here's the link: PhD

Good luck.

Naijaman · 04-11-2008, 05:24 PM

Hi all,

I greatly appreciate all the responses from everyone. The feedback might help me evaluate my decisions and chances...

AstralTraveller, I am 28 years old--I would be 30 by the time the program starts in '09. I had no idea until I started coming onto these boards that age would be such a factor.

I guess age is an issue, because though I am quite inclined to continue teaching on some level, and doing some research in my field of interest, I do not know if I can spend my early 30s making minimal income. Though public school teaching does not pay what I desire, I am not quite making chump change either.

I like teaching, and I like the lifestyle that being a professor would afford me, and will look into the requirements for research and publication required of me in order to attain such status.

Thanks again for responses.

AstralTraveller · 04-11-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Naijaman

Hi all,

I greatly appreciate all the responses from everyone. The feedback might help me evaluate my decisions and chances...

AstralTraveller, I am 28 years old--I would be 30 by the time the program starts in '09. I had no idea until I started coming onto these boards that age would be such a factor.

I guess age is an issue, because though I am quite inclined to continue teaching on some level, and doing some research in my field of interest, I do not know if I can spend my early 30s making minimal income. Though public school teaching does not pay what I desire, I am not quite making chump change either.

I like teaching, and I like the lifestyle that being a professor would afford me, and will look into the requirements for research and publication required of me in order to attain such status.

Thanks again for responses.

Just don't give up hope. You might actually end up finding out a professorial career is exactly your ideal career move. You have to try and test the waters to find out.

30 years old wouldn't be that bad. It would be perfect age for US citizens (you are one, right? I am not, and have no States experience, so it is more a factor in my case than yours).

Don't dismiss the pre-doc program at Stern. It can open many opportunities. And it is taught at a world class business school.

howdoesitmatter · 04-11-2008, 06:56 PM

Lat year, a 42 year-old got into Fin PhD prog at Purdue.

Naijaman · 04-12-2008, 06:47 PM

AstralTraveller,

Just don't give up hope. You might actually end up finding out a professorial career is exactly your ideal career move. You have to try and test the waters to find out.

You might be right. I will certainly look into this. I will start by speaking to profs and doctoral students at NYU and Columbia, since they are here in the city, and get a feel for whether this is for me. I can also evaluate my chances given my profile. Thanks again for the feedback.

I looked at the pre-doc program @ NYU, but I read the deadline for 08-09 was in January, and besides, it would be very hard for me to give up a year of FT work that is not directly in the doctoral program. I need at least a year to handle some personal debt...

04-11-2008, 02:20 AM	#1 (permalink)
Naijaman Trying to make mom and pop proud Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Queens Posts: 5	Veteran HS teacher looking to progress...where do I fit in? Hi, I am currently completing year 5 as a math teacher from a public high school in Queens, NY. I have paid my dues, and I have had enough of the public school classroom, and the paycheck that accompanies it. I have minimal experience in management or finance, but I have 3 degrees. Here is my background: B.S. Computer Science, 3.2 GPA (not too great school) Two master's degrees: M.A. Economics, 3.3 GPA (public univ.) M.A. Education, 3.9 GPA (mid-tier private univ.) Test Scores GMAT: 720 (95%ile) -- 48Q, 41V GRE: 730Q, 600V, 580A Work experience: 1+ year in IT 5 years as a teacher I'm told that I would pretty much be a lock for nearly any MBA Finance program given my educational, work, and general background, but my parents are West African immigrants, and I guess they would feel validated if I did a doctorate, especially from a top tier school. *BESIDES, I DON'T WANT A THIRD MASTER'S DEGREE!!!* I would primarily be interested in finance, but would also be open to applying to such programs as: - Applied Economics - Real Estate - General Management with a relevant minor ** I took a couple of doctoral level courses in economics, but I would like to study less hypothetical and more specific scenarios involving business, real estate finance as it relates to stock market behavior. I have pretty specific purposes for my sudy, which would be specified in my letter of intent, which should be strong. I could also get 2 decent letters of rec. What are my chances of getting into a top 20 program in any of these fields?

04-11-2008, 03:27 AM	#3 (permalink)
AstralTraveller Waiting for the crumbs! Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 501	Hello, Naijaman. Welcome to the forum. This might seem irrelevant, but would you mind telling us how old are you? I might be considered almost old for some admissions standards, and I'm just 25. About doctoral studies, the most important thing is research inclination. Don't do a PhD unless you want to do research. Even if it's a third master's degree, an MBA is not a bad idea if you want to work in real business settings. Your GMAT is very good, your GRE-Q not so much. Secure good letters of recommendation from academics who know you well and can speak wonders about you, and who can tell you're serious about academia, and about research, despite your long tenure away from university. Surely I'm forgetting other details, but I'm really sleepy now. Somebody else will help with what I have forgotten, I'm sure. Ah, two things: - Admissions are quite competitive, even for programs outside the first tiers. - Application is one of the most misarable periods of your life. I can't believe it is not over yet. I have prepared my applications for over two years, and can't believe it could still take me another extra year if my waitlists don't roll _ _ _ _ SIG _ _ _ _ But she came and knelt before him, saying, "Lord, help me." And he answered, "It is not fair to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." She said, "Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table." Then Jesus answered her, "O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire." --Mt 15, 25-28a

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04-11-2008, 03:25 AM	#2 (permalink)
ginmanga Eager! Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 45	Most Ph.D programs require 3 LORs, and you will need them to be very strong in order to get admitted into a top 20 program in any field.

04-11-2008, 03:30 AM	#4 (permalink)
ginmanga Eager! Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 45	I think that applicants to b-school programs are, on average, a lot older than the econ applicants. I think AT is still quite young!!!

04-11-2008, 03:57 AM	#5 (permalink)
EE570 Eager! Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 89	I would reiterate what AT said. Don't bother with a PhD unless you are very interested in research. You will need that passion to finish the PhD or to have much success in the academic world post PhD.

04-11-2008, 04:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
calchas Trying to make mom and pop proud Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 13	Since you are in the NYC area, if you are a US Citizen, NYU (Stern) which is ranked high for finance, offers a FREE pre-doctoral program for US Citizens, especially minorities, along with a living stipend.. You can take as many necessary upper level math and econ courses as well as getting recommendations and great help for applying to PhD programs... If you take those courses, retake the GRE and get a 780+ quant score and impress a couple of faculty at NYU to get great Letters of Recommendation, your chances of top 15-20 will be pretty good. Here's the link: PhD Good luck.

04-11-2008, 05:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
Naijaman Trying to make mom and pop proud Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Queens Posts: 5	Hi all, I greatly appreciate all the responses from everyone. The feedback might help me evaluate my decisions and chances... AstralTraveller, I am 28 years old--I would be 30 by the time the program starts in '09. I had no idea until I started coming onto these boards that age would be such a factor. I guess age is an issue, because though I am quite inclined to continue teaching on some level, and doing some research in my field of interest, I do not know if I can spend my early 30s making minimal income. Though public school teaching does not pay what I desire, I am not quite making chump change either. I like teaching, and I like the lifestyle that being a professor would afford me, and will look into the requirements for research and publication required of me in order to attain such status. Thanks again for responses.

04-11-2008, 06:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
howdoesitmatter Trying to make mom and pop proud Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12	Lat year, a 42 year-old got into Fin PhD prog at Purdue.

04-12-2008, 06:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
Naijaman Trying to make mom and pop proud Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Queens Posts: 5	AstralTraveller, *Just don't give up hope. You might actually end up finding out a professorial career is exactly your ideal career move. You have to try and test the waters to find out.* You might be right. I will certainly look into this. I will start by speaking to profs and doctoral students at NYU and Columbia, since they are here in the city, and get a feel for whether this is for me. I can also evaluate my chances given my profile. Thanks again for the feedback. I looked at the pre-doc program @ NYU, but I read the deadline for 08-09 was in January, and besides, it would be very hard for me to give up a year of FT work that is not directly in the doctoral program. I need at least a year to handle some personal debt...

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