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Institute for Humane Studies
For those interested in classical liberalism/libertarianism, I highly recommend attending an IHS seminar.
The Institute for Humane Studies - 2009 Seminar Lineup The IHS is a great organization that holds free seminars for students interested in liberty. They also give very generous fellowships. |
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Can you explain what you mean, I don't quite follow?
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It's just that libertarians seem to have a monopoly on the concept of liberty. Anyone that opposes laissez faire is automatically labelled as anti-liberty. I am especially opposed to the last remark of the OP - "for students interested in liberty". Opposition to libertarianism does not imply opposition to liberty.
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the left is rather concerned with circumstances in which individual liberty is prevented. to say that the left doesn't care about liberty is outright wrong, as the left argument is that structural forces and asymmetric power relations prevent you from exerting your own liberty. have you ever read marx? i don't think you have. this is the problem with people that promote dichotomies between libertarianism and [leftism] - you should read what the other side has to say. |
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It's my impression that anyone who is not an anarchist and values liberty, values it only to some degree. I have a few libertarian friends who are all for the right to bear arms, but they don't believe that private parties should be allowed to buy ICBMs or F-16s. I also know libertarians who support the just compensation clause of the fifth amendment (US constitution, for those who are from elsewhere). You could argue that these are specific people and that their views are not necessarily representative of all of libertarianism, and you'd be right. Just a thought.
But what is the difference between a libertarian's belief in absolute property rights, and a liberal's belief in an absolute right to certain kinds of medical care? Both are ideological biases with no clear truth attached to them. Proponents of both believe the government should act to uphold their view, which, were it to be institutionalized into law, would require government expenditure (taxation?) to enforce. So what's the difference? By the way YoungEconomist, I love your quote. |
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Economics beat me to it, though (s)he did it in a slightly more combative way than I would have. There are many different constraints on our behavior, and the government is only one of them. Some others are markets (lack of wealth, for instance) and social norms, plus what economics said above. Some might say that to truly promote liberty, we have to do away with (some of) these other limits on it as well.
This is not to say that all liberals are freedom loving libertarians in disguise. I, for one, am of the opinion that freedom is not some grand first principle unto itself that we need to focus all our policies on promoting. Though that's a separate discussion. Last edited by KGkhan23 : 2009 March 14th at 07:45 PM. Reason: made it sound prettier |
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