Jayd Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I am currently an undergrad in a top 50 department. From what I see, I think the attrition rate is about 10-15%(at most 2 will leave the program, out of 15). I will be going to a top 30 department next fall and is horrified by its attrition rate. From what I heard, the attrition rate is about 33%(Although the coordinator says it's only about 20%, 20% still sound very high). Moreover, Out of 20 from one particular year, 8 were left. This rate is much higher than my perception. I am wondering if the attrition rate is higher in better departments? Please share attrition rate in top departments so I will have some idea and be more relaxed/horrified. Edit: Here I am only taking about the attrition rate for the prelim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaysa Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 The attrition rate in my department was insane. It was 50 to 75%. It was not uncommon to see only one or two domestic students survive the prelims, and over half the foreign students vanish their 4th year. I am very confident that my department is either the upper bound or very close to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
startz Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Attrition rates are all over the place. For example, MIT does not have prelims (although one has to pass the first year course exams). At the other end...well, you saw Kaysa's story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 50% is ridiculous. How will first-year PhDs be brave enough to actually go there? The attrition rate in my department was insane. It was 50 to 75%. It was not uncommon to see only one or two domestic students survive the prelims, and over half the foreign students vanish their 4th year. I am very confident that my department is either the upper bound or very close to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 What's the average attrition rate? 50% is definitely a very high upper bound. Attrition rates are all over the place. For example, MIT does not have prelims (although one has to pass the first year course exams). At the other end...well, you saw Kaysa's story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaysa Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 What's the average attrition rate? 50% is definitely a very high upper bound. I would say 25-33%. Jayd, I would really caution against thinking about negative, dismal things like attrition rates. Focus more on understanding what you need to learn, and what is the best way to learn it in the shortest time possible. Find good study partners and methods and just learn, don't worry about failing or passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 Thanks for your caveat. I would say 25-33%. Jayd, I would really caution against thinking about negative, dismal things like attrition rates. Focus more on understanding what you need to learn, and what is the best way to learn it in the shortest time possible. Find good study partners and methods and just learn, don't worry about failing or passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chateauheart Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 (edited) 2010 NRC data includes the variable "6-year completion rate". It goes from 60-90% in the top programs to 20-50% in second/third tier programs. Also, mean completion time is around 5.5-6.0 for most programs. Inferring from that, >50% attrition rate is not uncommon in lower-ranked programs. edit: updated image Edited May 1, 2017 by chateauheart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromTheHip Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 50% is ridiculous. How will first-year PhDs be brave enough to actually go there? In general I agree students should be skeptical of high-attrition programs, but I think there are reasonable arguments for attending one given the right circumstances. First, just getting a PhD is probably not the right metric for most students -- what matters is what happens afterwards. A program which kicks out a greater proportion of students but places the reminder in better jobs might reasonably be preferred by some applicants. (To give a contrived example, if you're going to a PhD to have a research career, a program which boots 50% of students but places 3/4 of the rest in research-focused jobs should be preferred to a school which graduates everyone but places none of them in research-focused jobs). Second, getting students who aren't good enough early is potentially a gain for everyone, since wasting additional years getting a qualification and then not getting a job which uses it benefits no one. Further, this might enable some programs to admit higher-variance applicants, which should make everyone strictly better off. Of course, many programs with high attrition do *not* place the remaining students better than similarly ranked places. And many programs kick out students far too early and almost surely boot out potentially good researchers (at schools of a certain rank, comps are not a good predictor of future research ability). Plus (heresay only, since I don't attend such a place), high attrition can create a bad atmosphere. Which is why I think applicants should generally be wary of high-attrition programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyecon Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 A lot of students discontinued their PhD when they got a good job. Other students are satisfied with a two-year MS/MA and a fine job early. To many commoners, it does not make any sense to be slaved by profs for another three or four years instead of earning six-fig income for 3-4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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