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    You have to retake the GRE and realistically score 161 or higher to have a chance at any program.

    I plan to retest in march

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    Re: phd economics programs with average gre scores

    The reason for this 'specific' requirement of 160 or higher for Quant is because most programmes perform a series of quick cuts at the beginning to thin the pile of applications to a more manageable amount, based on GRE scores and GPA. You wouldn't want to be desk-rejected because of something so trivial like the GRE score, having worked on other parts of your profile. Hence, the safe thing to do is to get 160 or higher for the quant section.

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    Re: phd economics programs with average gre scores

    Your recent GMAT score is 16th percentile; the one from 9 years ago, when you presumably finished your college education, was around 50th percentile. These GMAT scores and your GRE score conclusively point to deficiencies in analytical reasoning - relative to even the bottom-ranked PhD econ/accounting programs - that isn't resolvable by retaking the test or receiving advice. This isn't even about math - you mentioned scoring 20th percentile on verbal reasoning on practice tests, which simply points to a lack of academic ability.

    For reference, when graduate programs were surveyed a few years ago, every econ PhD program ranked in the top 100 in the United States had a quant average GRE score above 770, with the median candidate score being 790-800 in most top 40 programs. In other words, PhD econ programs almost exclusively select from the top 15% of GRE quant scores, even though according to adcoms and other people experienced with admissions, the GRE isn't an important criterion for admissions. (it just happens that all the serious applicants have a high GRE score). Needless to say, the fact that you've only mentioned your GRE/GMAT scores imply you don't realize what's important for PhD econ admissions, which in turn implies you're likely deficient in all the major admissions criteria - advanced pure math coursework, letters, and supervised research experience.

    I should emphasize further that this isn't restricted to economics. Currently, your scores and math background suggest you're not remotely competitive for any quant academic discipline, including all PhD degrees in business schools. Even acknowledging for the possibility that you under-invested in quant courses as a kid, the fact that you're 10 years removed from your college education and has apparently forgotten high-school algebra is a practically insurmountable barrier to getting back into academics.

    I don't understand why you're wasting time on this forum and I don't understand why other posters are wasting time on giving you advice. You presumably are in an important stage in your professional career as a 30 year old; stop deluding yourself about getting a PhD and go focus on that career.
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    Re: phd economics programs with average gre scores

    Quote Originally Posted by tutonic View Post
    The reason for this 'specific' requirement of 160 or higher for Quant is because most programmes perform a series of quick cuts at the beginning to thin the pile of applications to a more manageable amount, based on GRE scores and GPA. You wouldn't want to be desk-rejected because of something so trivial like the GRE score, having worked on other parts of your profile. Hence, the safe thing to do is to get 160 or higher for the quant section.
    The guy mentioned previously that his latest math grade was from 10+ years ago, a C in calculus II. There's simply zero chance that this guy is going to get into an economics or accounting PhD program in the foreseeable future; the GRE cutoff has little to do with it. This is one of those rare profiles where the poster is so clueless about what he's thinking that he should be called out directly for it.
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    Re: phd economics programs with average gre scores

    Quote Originally Posted by chateauheart View Post
    The guy mentioned previously that his latest math grade was from 10+ years ago, a C in calculus II. There's simply zero chance that this guy is going to get into an economics or accounting PhD program in the foreseeable future; the GRE cutoff has little to do with it. This is one of those rare profiles where the poster is so clueless about what he's thinking that he should be called out directly for it.
    Rare?

    (I've become so cynical...)

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    Rare?

    (I've become so cynical...)
    Have you forgotten the days when literally half the profiles were people with <3.8 GPA and 0 research experience, asking for their chances of getting into a top 10 program?

    The majority of profile evaluations these days are surprisingly grounded. The posters that are deficient in research experience usually mention their plan to be an RA. The posters that lack advanced math usually mention their plans to take more math. (including this OP - though he's too far behind).

    Maybe part of it is self-selection (we have fewer new posters now). But I think the lurking audience is getting a good sense of admissions just by going through the thousands of profiles and results that we've accumulated over the years. (link: http://www.urch.com/forums/phd-econo...ost922838.html).

    Anyway, my perception is that a majority of people posting new threads right now are not overoptimistic. It's a much more pleasant experience answering applicant questions than when I was here in 2013 or 2014. (Except for that 1 downvote troll who's been following me around for the last 2 years)

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    Re: phd economics programs with average gre scores

    I know that my idea of the range of schools I'm competitive for has been revised countless times over the years I'm here. I concur that people generally enter the process with overoptimism. I know I was. The upside to this is that I came to know of this forum a good 4 years prior to admission, thereby allowing me the time to safely revise my expectations. I pity those who get disillusioned when they face straight rejections as they applied too high up.

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    Re: phd economics programs with average gre scores

    Quote Originally Posted by chateauheart View Post
    Have you forgotten the days when literally half the profiles were people with <3.8 GPA and 0 research experience, asking for their chances of getting into a top 10 program?

    The majority of profile evaluations these days are surprisingly grounded. The posters that are deficient in research experience usually mention their plan to be an RA. The posters that lack advanced math usually mention their plans to take more math. (including this OP - though he's too far behind).

    Maybe part of it is self-selection (we have fewer new posters now). But I think the lurking audience is getting a good sense of admissions just by going through the thousands of profiles and results that we've accumulated over the years. (link: http://www.urch.com/forums/phd-econo...ost922838.html).

    Anyway, my perception is that a majority of people posting new threads right now are not overoptimistic. It's a much more pleasant experience answering applicant questions than when I was here in 2013 or 2014. (Except for that 1 downvote troll who's been following me around for the last 2 years)
    Agreed, it's increasingly rare these days... but I wouldn't say it's rare in an absolute sense.

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    Re: phd economics programs with average gre scores

    Quote Originally Posted by chateauheart View Post
    Your recent GMAT score is 16th percentile; the one from 9 years ago, when you presumably finished your college education, was around 50th percentile. These GMAT scores and your GRE score conclusively point to deficiencies in analytical reasoning - relative to even the bottom-ranked PhD econ/accounting programs - that isn't resolvable by retaking the test or receiving advice. This isn't even about math - you mentioned scoring 20th percentile on verbal reasoning on practice tests, which simply points to a lack of academic ability.

    For reference, when graduate programs were surveyed a few years ago, every econ PhD program ranked in the top 100 in the United States had a quant average GRE score above 770, with the median candidate score being 790-800 in most top 40 programs. In other words, PhD econ programs almost exclusively select from the top 15% of GRE quant scores, even though according to adcoms and other people experienced with admissions, the GRE isn't an important criterion for admissions. (it just happens that all the serious applicants have a high GRE score). Needless to say, the fact that you've only mentioned your GRE/GMAT scores imply you don't realize what's important for PhD econ admissions, which in turn implies you're likely deficient in all the major admissions criteria - advanced pure math coursework, letters, and supervised research experience.

    I should emphasize further that this isn't restricted to economics. Currently, your scores and math background suggest you're not remotely competitive for any quant academic discipline, including all PhD degrees in business schools. Even acknowledging for the possibility that you under-invested in quant courses as a kid, the fact that you're 10 years removed from your college education and has apparently forgotten high-school algebra is a practically insurmountable barrier to getting back into academics.

    I don't understand why you're wasting time on this forum and I don't understand why other posters are wasting time on giving you advice. You presumably are in an important stage in your professional career as a 30 year old; stop deluding yourself about getting a PhD and go focus on that career.
    This post was exactly what I was thinking about when I was going to respond to this thread! Well-said.

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    Re: phd economics programs with average gre scores

    The guy is simply clueless or could be trolling. A PhD in Economics is not for you with those very low scores. You obviously have no idea of the intense competition even in very low-ranked programs.

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