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    I know brilliant researchers--including Nobel prize winners--who are splendid teachers.
    That is great startz, so do I. However, in my graduate program, my department, and the three other prominent departments that I visited, most were and still are mediocre (not counting the lecturers)

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    I said "hard time" because I didn't want to explicitly talk about every detail this professor is doing. Almost everyone in his class filed a complaint together to the department chair hoping that he changes a little bit.
    Yes, but in a class of maybe a hundred students, and with only 1-2 of them ever going on to grad school, you're supposed to be the rare student that can take it on the chin. Unless his evaluation has a huge randomness factor, or unless his curve wildly deviates from the norm, I see no reason why you can't aim for at least a B+ or an A- in the course. This really shouldn't be an issue. A fair proportion of awful teachers exist in every U.S. university, and some U.S. applicants manage to get a very consistent 3.9+ GPA in their math/econ courses anyway, because inconsistent teaching doesn't really prevent you from consistently being in the top 20% of the class, and certainly not from the top 50%.

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    Yes, but in a class of maybe a hundred students, and with only 1-2 of them ever going on to grad school, you're supposed to be the rare student that can take it on the chin. Unless his evaluation has a huge randomness factor, or unless his curve wildly deviates from the norm, I see no reason why you can't aim for at least a B+ or an A- in the course. This really shouldn't be an issue. A fair proportion of awful teachers exist in every U.S. university, and some U.S. applicants manage to get a very consistent 3.9+ GPA in their math/econ courses anyway, because inconsistent teaching doesn't really prevent you from consistently being in the top 20% of the class, and certainly not from the top 50%.
    For some professors, you can easily be in the top 20% of a class and get a C+ or a B-. If the applicant's profile is otherwise solid, I'd simply take the W, try to learn from the experience, and move on.

    For me, I got a D in Matrix Algebra II... I simply could not understand what the professor wanted me to know or the exam questions they asked. Other students seemed fine with the methods and questions. It was bizarre. I got A's in every other math class. I should have withdrawn from that class, the D cost me way more than the W would have.

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    Jumping in to say that I took a W in my first attempt at Real Analysis. The course was cross-listed between undergrad and grad students (many of whom had taken Real Analysis as undergrads and had thus seen the material before), and the professor was curving the two groups as one. As an undergrad who'd never seen the material, that made it extremely difficult for me to land in the top half of the distribution.

    I re-took the course and did well. Given my admission results and the rest of my profile, it's hard for me to say how much the W cost me, but I did get top-15 offers when I applied.

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    You guys are still talking about advanced math courses. OP is taking intermediate macro in their 6th semester in college. Underpreparation shouldn't be an issue, and the demographic should be substantially weaker than an advanced pure math class.

    Like I said, it's not possible for me to know exactly how ridiculous the course was, but I really want to emphasize that this doesn't typically happen to strong students. So yes, I do think it's going to look bad on a transcript. If the instructor was in fact uniquely awful and unreasonable, it's going to affect your chances nonetheless because the adcoms have no way of knowing those caveats (having your letter writer explain the situation may help, but he/she can't afford to devote an entire page to your situation). Adcoms will assume with some positive probability that you could have just lacked initiative/discipline while taking the course, as I do.

    I'd still recommend carefully looking at whether you actually have a chance of getting a B+/A-, perhaps by asking the instructor directly, and to work very hard for that goal if you do have a chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chateauheart View Post
    You guys are still talking about advanced math courses. OP is taking intermediate macro in their 6th semester in college. Underpreparation shouldn't be an issue, and the demographic should be substantially weaker than an advanced pure math class.

    Like I said, it's not possible for me to know exactly how ridiculous the course was, but I really want to emphasize that this doesn't typically happen to strong students. So yes, I do think it's going to look bad on a transcript. If the instructor was in fact uniquely awful and unreasonable, it's going to affect your chances nonetheless because the adcoms have no way of knowing those caveats (having your letter writer explain the situation may help, but he/she can't afford to devote an entire page to your situation). Adcoms will assume with some positive probability that you could have just lacked initiative/discipline while taking the course, as I do.

    I'd still recommend carefully looking at whether you actually have a chance of getting a B+/A-, perhaps by asking the instructor directly, and to work very hard for that goal if you do have a chance.
    I don't think the course is as important as you suggest. If that professor had been teaching Lin Algebra, I'd probably have struggled just as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chateauheart View Post
    You guys are still talking about advanced math courses. OP is taking intermediate macro in their 6th semester in college. Underpreparation shouldn't be an issue, and the demographic should be substantially weaker than an advanced pure math class.

    Like I said, it's not possible for me to know exactly how ridiculous the course was, but I really want to emphasize that this doesn't typically happen to strong students. So yes, I do think it's going to look bad on a transcript. If the instructor was in fact uniquely awful and unreasonable, it's going to affect your chances nonetheless because the adcoms have no way of knowing those caveats (having your letter writer explain the situation may help, but he/she can't afford to devote an entire page to your situation). Adcoms will assume with some positive probability that you could have just lacked initiative/discipline while taking the course, as I do.

    I'd still recommend carefully looking at whether you actually have a chance of getting a B+/A-, perhaps by asking the instructor directly, and to work very hard for that goal if you do have a chance.
    Okay it sounds like you want to argue that I am probably not a strong student and therefore having this problem. But I consider myself a strong student not based on my personal opinion but based on professors' take on. The reason why this whole situation is frustrating is because if I happen to get anything below A-, this would be my only course that I have not gotten an A or A- in. That is why I am considering dropping it and doing better it in later. My adviser was actually the one who brought up dropping it in the first place, not that I am trying to blame anything on my adviser at all. Just saying. And I just simply didn't know what the cost of having a W on my transcript. Like you said Adcoms have no way of knowing those caveat, so I was also wondering if mentioning it in the rec letter and doing better would even out the W.
    FYI: I have gotten A's in all my math courses, which was one of the reasons my adviser considered just dropping it and explaining the situation in my application. But thanks for your input anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by db2018 View Post
    Hey minskymoment, thank you for your input. May I ask which classes those were? Like were they econ classes?
    One was com sci and one was math. Both were around third week of the semester when I started to realized I'd stuffed my schedule too full on top of my college job. I remember being quite worried about how they would look at the time, but by the time I applied I started to realize they were barely noticeable with the other more important stuff on my application.

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