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dr_Shpak · 02-29-2008, 05:24 PM

By now i was accepted to the phd in economics in Temple university...but i am not sure to go there or not (if i will not get acceptance somewhere else

).
a have 2 big questions ;
- is it possible to finish 2 years there and then re-apply somewhere?
- what kind of job and where (in academia ?) is it possible to find after phd in Temple?

Olm · 02-29-2008, 07:09 PM

We have tons of other threads about PhD transfers. In essence, the only reason you should be transferring out is if a) your interests do not match those of the department, or b) you are such a good student that you are somehow "too good" for the school. When you undertake a PhD, the school invests a lot in you, and many would not be happy to dump tens of thousands of dollars into you only to see you pack up and go elsewhere without a very good reason.

There are tons of jobs in academia for econ PhDs. You will not be placed well after graduating (most outside the top 20 or so schools aren't), but with good research, you can climb all the way to the top. If you just want to be a teacher, there are tons of teaching colleges all over the world that need econ PhDs.

Internationalstudent08 · 02-29-2008, 07:46 PM

I know that I'm not supposed to give such a straightforward advice and that I should just provide you with more info (if I have) so that you can make an informed decision... However, in your case the answer is very simple: Don't go to Temple University. It doesn't even appear in the econphd rankings. I looked at your profile and it seems alright. I don't know if you can get into a top 20, but I consider it impossible for you to get rejected by all schools with a decent ranking (let's say top60?). So, if you don't get anything good, apply again and don't underestimate yourself. Even the job placements of some top schools look bad, I don't want to think about the others...

GymShorts · 02-29-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Internationalstudent08

I know that I'm not supposed to give such a straightforward advice and that I should just provide you with more info (if I have) so that you can make an informed decision... However, in your case the answer is very simple: Don't go to Temple University. It doesn't even appear in the econphd rankings. I looked at your profile and it seems alright. I don't know if you can get into a top 20, but I consider it impossible for you to get rejected by all schools with a decent ranking (let's say top60?). So, if you don't get anything good, apply again and don't underestimate yourself. Even the job placements of some top schools look bad, I don't want to think about the others...

You're assuming a lot about his preferences. For all we know, he may have a strong preference towards a certain geographic region for family reasons. Or perhaps his only goal is to teach a small unknown college. I admit, your advice is sound for anyone who is dedicated to become a top researcher, but not everyone is.

Internationalstudent08 · 02-29-2008, 07:58 PM

Since she's coming from another country to take her phd in the U.S., I assume that she's at least somewhat ambitious and that the location doesn't make much difference (what's the difference between 10,000 and 10,500 miles away from home?)... Generally speaking though, you are right. there are other parameters that play a significant role

pevdoki1 · 02-29-2008, 08:35 PM

Don't go to Temple... Wait until you get into Stony Brook, and if you don't hear from top 20, go to SUNY instead. At least Stony Brook has some good people on the faculty (one even has a Nobel Prize); Temple is completely unknown.

ICECOLDECON · 02-29-2008, 08:40 PM

We had an assistant professor at Florida State from SUNY SB. So these things happen

Olm · 02-29-2008, 08:52 PM

Yeah I may apply to Florida State next year. Good weather if nothing else

dr_Shpak · 02-29-2008, 08:53 PM

Yes, i applied from another country... and i need to be somewhere in the US next year

by now i was rejected from like 5 universities and was accepted only to Temple. But i am waiting for 9 more answers

so anything could change...

I know what is a problem in my application- i do not have a lot econ. courses (only 5-6, my program was strange

) so i thought that if i'll study in Temple economics and then reapply it could help.
I really have big ambitious (may be it is bad

) so i did not mind spend some more years in such school (if it is necessary) to be admitted to a very good program...
So the question is what is better to do

Equilibrium · 02-29-2008, 08:57 PM

have you applied to any MA programs? Jumping straight into a PhD sequence to show you can hack it would probably be only as good as just doing MA econ as the extra preparatory work in econ that you feel you might be lacking for admissions, and would also solve the problem of getting into better places than Temple the second time around...just a thought

02-29-2008, 05:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
dr_Shpak Within my grasp! Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 103	Phd from not very high ranked universities By now i was accepted to the phd in economics in Temple university...but i am not sure to go there or not (if i will not get acceptance somewhere else ). a have 2 big questions ; - is it possible to finish 2 years there and then re-apply somewhere? - what kind of job and where (in academia ?) is it possible to find after phd in Temple?

02-29-2008, 08:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
pevdoki1 Preparing for MN winters Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 629	Don't go to Temple... Wait until you get into Stony Brook, and if you don't hear from top 20, go to SUNY instead. At least Stony Brook has some good people on the faculty (one even has a Nobel Prize); Temple is completely unknown. _ _ _ _ SIG _ _ _ _ "Since it befalls, that in most instances Current opinion leans to false: and then Affection bends the judgment to her ply." Dante Alighieri

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02-29-2008, 07:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
Olm Solidarity for Astral! Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 828	We have tons of other threads about PhD transfers. In essence, the only reason you should be transferring out is if a) your interests do not match those of the department, or b) you are such a good student that you are somehow "too good" for the school. When you undertake a PhD, the school invests a lot in you, and many would not be happy to dump tens of thousands of dollars into you only to see you pack up and go elsewhere without a very good reason. There are tons of jobs in academia for econ PhDs. You will not be placed well after graduating (most outside the top 20 or so schools aren't), but with good research, you can climb all the way to the top. If you just want to be a teacher, there are tons of teaching colleges all over the world that need econ PhDs.

02-29-2008, 07:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
Internationalstudent08 Excited to work as an RA! Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 269	I know that I'm not supposed to give such a straightforward advice and that I should just provide you with more info (if I have) so that you can make an informed decision... However, in your case the answer is very simple: Don't go to Temple University. It doesn't even appear in the econphd rankings. I looked at your profile and it seems alright. I don't know if you can get into a top 20, but I consider it impossible for you to get rejected by all schools with a decent ranking (let's say top60?). So, if you don't get anything good, apply again and don't underestimate yourself. Even the job placements of some top schools look bad, I don't want to think about the others...

02-29-2008, 07:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
Internationalstudent08 Excited to work as an RA! Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 269	Since she's coming from another country to take her phd in the U.S., I assume that she's at least somewhat ambitious and that the location doesn't make much difference (what's the difference between 10,000 and 10,500 miles away from home?)... Generally speaking though, you are right. there are other parameters that play a significant role

02-29-2008, 08:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
ICECOLDECON Within my grasp! Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 103	We had an assistant professor at Florida State from SUNY SB. So these things happen

02-29-2008, 08:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
Olm Solidarity for Astral! Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 828	Yeah I may apply to Florida State next year. Good weather if nothing else

02-29-2008, 08:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
dr_Shpak Within my grasp! Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 103	Yes, i applied from another country... and i need to be somewhere in the US next year by now i was rejected from like 5 universities and was accepted only to Temple. But i am waiting for 9 more answers so anything could change... I know what is a problem in my application- i do not have a lot econ. courses (only 5-6, my program was strange ) so i thought that if i'll study in Temple economics and then reapply it could help. I really have big ambitious (may be it is bad ) so i did not mind spend some more years in such school (if it is necessary) to be admitted to a very good program... So the question is what is better to do

02-29-2008, 08:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
Equilibrium Admits: 1 Rejects: 0 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 102	have you applied to any MA programs? Jumping straight into a PhD sequence to show you can hack it would probably be only as good as just doing MA econ as the extra preparatory work in econ that you feel you might be lacking for admissions, and would also solve the problem of getting into better places than Temple the second time around...just a thought

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