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italos · 2008 March 8th, 09:51 PM

Ok guys!For a long time I wanted to post that. Let us discuss how selections are been done in several schools.Those include UCLA,Princeton,Harvard ,Columbia, NYU, Marylaland ,UCI, and many others....mostly about the top 20!
I have know many academics from those schools and by asking them I understood the following.My sources:
UCLA Roger Farmer
Columbia ;Mike Woodford
Princeton:Lars Svensson
Mayraland:Enrique Mendoza
UCI Fabio Milani
Harvard :Alberto Alesina

It was rely funny when talking about this with Mike(Woodford) I used a term largely used among Central Bank Economists :"The Segrets of the Temple"!!!

I will proceed with an example as it will be more comprehensive. Suppose we have 800 applicants as it happens frequently to be the case in the top 10

The first thing they look is the Quantitative GRE score!If you are below a certain cut off standard (UCB states if 760 test should be retaken) then you are OUT ! No one will ever see your complete file even if you have excellent records and LORs
Suppose now we are left with 200 applicants. Now is time for the most important thing;THE REFERENCE LETTER
As Roger Farmer told me he first looks at the NAME and he asks him self: Do I know him?Then of course he reads it.If it is a good letter you 're still in the game.Other wise.......

.Note that if among your referees you have only one that is well know then they will put a part the other letters and you will end up with one letter in your file:Here is the question;From who do you ask the letters?
At stage 3 now we are left with only 100 applicants.Life is more easy now!
Now they look at the file.I you already have a Masters then you have an advantage ....except from the case you come from a US university or a very good undergraduate program.
Stage 4 candidates now are say 50.We want to admit 25 plus a waiting-listed, ok? What comes next?A direct email/phone call to the referee to ask additional information :Those could be the character,if the things stated in the letter of reference are true,grades and other.
S/he replies and that's it.Is done!

To sum up as both Mendoza and Milani told me the MOST important thing is the LETTER!!!!!!This is what makes you admitted or rejected!

So now you know everything!

pevdoki1 · 2008 March 8th, 09:59 PM

That's what I figured.

I guess every school that admitted me saw my best letter first or something

fp3690 · 2008 March 8th, 10:08 PM

Pretty much what I thought as well. However, from what we were told in a phd application information session, they don't really care how famous the guy is, as long as he/she did a good phd. For instance, my certain letter of reference writer is a Harvard PhD, as well as a potential one. Although they're quite unknown, they both know what it takes to do a top PhD, as so are quite credible

Mr.Keen · 2008 March 8th, 10:56 PM

It surprises me that you keep misspelling Enrique Mendoza's name. I hope you don't address him as Professor Mentoza

ephyou · 2008 March 9th, 01:03 AM

do you actually know those guys? if so i'm guessing youre related to some hotshot?

italos · 2008 March 10th, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Keen

It surprises me that you keep misspelling Enrique Mendoza's name. I hope you don't address him as Professor Mentoza

It was just a mistyping mistake!

Mr.Keen · 2008 March 10th, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by italos

It was just a mistyping mistake!

Then you made the same mistake on another thread. That's what drew my attention.

econphp06 · 2008 March 10th, 06:49 PM

I heard a type of selection like this... However, I heard that firstly they look GRE Quant and Math, Econ classes...

econphilomath · 2008 March 10th, 07:01 PM

It seems to me that everything on your CV is a necessary condition for entry to the top ten but not sufficient. Especially for internationals and at the top 5. The letter of reference is by far the most important aspect. However, it is non trivial to get somebody credible to stick his/her neck out for you, but then again getting a chance to show your stuff to such a person is in some way determined by luck.

Not sure where italos is hanging out on the weekends but hes had more top economist face time than I expect to get during my entire phd.

Behaviourist · 2008 March 10th, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by econphilomath

It seems to me that everything on your CV is a necessary condition for entry to the top ten but not sufficient. Especially for internationals and at the top 5. The letter of reference is by far the most important aspect. However, it is non trivial to get somebody credible to stick his/her neck out for you, but then again getting a chance to show your stuff to such a person is in some way determined by luck.

Not sure where italos is hanging out on the weekends but hes had more top economist face time than I expect to get during my entire phd.

I agree. All factors are necessary but not sufficient. That being said, a low GRE is generally a fatal issue whereas others can often be overcome through statement of purpose or letter of reference. I'm talking mainly about poor GPA that was dragged down due to one poor year that can be explained by extenuating circumstances.

2008 March 8th, 09:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
italos TestMagic Veteran Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 992	How Selection Is Been Done Ok guys!For a long time I wanted to post that. Let us discuss how selections are been done in several schools.Those include UCLA,Princeton,Harvard ,Columbia, NYU, Marylaland ,UCI, and many others....mostly about the top 20! I have know many academics from those schools and by asking them I understood the following.My sources: UCLA Roger Farmer Columbia ;Mike Woodford Princeton:Lars Svensson Mayraland:Enrique Mendoza UCI Fabio Milani Harvard :Alberto Alesina It was rely funny when talking about this with Mike(Woodford) I used a term largely used among Central Bank Economists :"The Segrets of the Temple"!!! I will proceed with an example as it will be more comprehensive. Suppose we have 800 applicants as it happens frequently to be the case in the top 10 The first thing they look is the Quantitative GRE score!If you are below a certain cut off standard (UCB states if 760 test should be retaken) then you are OUT ! No one will ever see your complete file even if you have excellent records and LORs Suppose now we are left with 200 applicants. Now is time for the most important thing;THE REFERENCE LETTER As Roger Farmer told me he first looks at the NAME and he asks him self: Do I know him?Then of course he reads it.If it is a good letter you 're still in the game.Other wise........Note that if among your referees you have only one that is well know then they will put a part the other letters and you will end up with one letter in your file:Here is the question;From who do you ask the letters? At stage 3 now we are left with only 100 applicants.Life is more easy now! Now they look at the file.I you already have a Masters then you have an advantage ....except from the case you come from a US university or a very good undergraduate program. Stage 4 candidates now are say 50.We want to admit 25 plus a waiting-listed, ok? What comes next?A direct email/phone call to the referee to ask additional information :Those could be the character,if the things stated in the letter of reference are true,grades and other. S/he replies and that's it.Is done! To sum up as both Mendoza and Milani told me the MOST important thing is the LETTER!!!!!!This is what makes you admitted or rejected! So now you know everything! Last edited by italos : 2008 March 10th at 06:38 PM. Reason: misstyping

2008 March 8th, 09:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
pevdoki1 At Minnesota Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 725	That's what I figured. I guess every school that admitted me saw my best letter first or something _ _ _ _ SIG _ _ _ _ "Since it befalls, that in most instances Current opinion leans to false: and then Affection bends the judgment to her ply." Dante Alighieri

2008 March 9th, 01:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
ephyou valorized Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 77	do you actually know those guys? if so i'm guessing youre related to some hotshot? _ _ _ _ SIG _ _ _ _ in: brown, boston u out: duke, mich, wisc, ucla

2008 March 10th, 07:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
econphilomath Adriannn! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 1,374	It seems to me that everything on your CV is a necessary condition for entry to the top ten but not sufficient. Especially for internationals and at the top 5. The letter of reference is by far the most important aspect. However, it is non trivial to get somebody credible to stick his/her neck out for you, but then again getting a chance to show your stuff to such a person is in some way determined by luck. Not sure where italos is hanging out on the weekends but hes had more top economist face time than I expect to get during my entire phd. _ _ _ _ SIG _ _ _ _ gone for comps...

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2008 March 8th, 10:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
fp3690 TestMagic Guru Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,214	Pretty much what I thought as well. However, from what we were told in a phd application information session, they don't really care how famous the guy is, as long as he/she did a good phd. For instance, my certain letter of reference writer is a Harvard PhD, as well as a potential one. Although they're quite unknown, they both know what it takes to do a top PhD, as so are quite credible

2008 March 8th, 10:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mr.Keen The Fire! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 622	It surprises me that you keep misspelling Enrique Mendoza's name. I hope you don't address him as Professor Mentoza

2008 March 10th, 06:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
econphp06 Within my grasp! Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 128	I heard a type of selection like this... However, I heard that firstly they look GRE Quant and Math, Econ classes...

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