Americans with U.S. PhDs going to Canada

[jeeves0923]

The reason I ask is because I am an American and have a lot of connections in Canada. I like Canada. I may be interested in pursuing academic employment in Canada... At least I don't want to rule it out.

[ICECOLDECON]

If you look at the JOE for listings from Canadian Universities youll get something similar to this:

The University of ________ encourages applications from all qualified individuals, including women, members of visible minorities, native peoples, and persons with disabilities. All qualified individuals are encouraged to apply; however, Canadians and permanent residents will be given priority.


I leave interpretation of that statement open...

[Canuckonomist]

Originally Posted by ICECOLDECON

If you look at the JOE for listings from Canadian Universities youll get something similar to this:

The University of ________ encourages applications from all qualified individuals, including women, members of visible minorities, native peoples, and persons with disabilities. All qualified individuals are encouraged to apply; however, Canadians and permanent residents will be given priority.


I leave interpretation of that statement open...

Well, I guess that bodes well for my career goals.

[tennisboy85]

I think that nobody in his right mind (or with some personal reasons) would take an offer from a PhD at any Canadian institution, over an offer at a top 20 US grad program.

[bscout]

Originally Posted by ICECOLDECON

If you look at the JOE for listings from Canadian Universities youll get something similar to this:

The University of ________ encourages applications from all qualified individuals, including women, members of visible minorities, native peoples, and persons with disabilities. All qualified individuals are encouraged to apply; however, Canadians and permanent residents will be given priority.


I leave interpretation of that statement open...

This helps to explain the placement of Canadian programs...

[Canuckonomist]

Indeed it does, bscout!

Originally Posted by tennisboy85

I think that nobody in his right mind (or with some personal reasons) would take an offer from a PhD at any Canadian institution, over an offer at a top 20 US grad program.

You're absolutely right if a situation was completely based on international rankings, ceteris paribus, but that rarely happens. Whether it be climate, family, spouses, children, location, money, health or morals, anyone could have a reason to turn down a top 20 U.S program.

[jeeves0923]

tennisboy, I think you misunderstand. I want to do a PhD in the U.S., but possibly live in Canada when I'm done.

[TheBrothersKaramazov]

Originally Posted by tennisboy85

I think that nobody in his right mind (or with some personal reasons) would take an offer from a PhD at any Canadian institution, over an offer at a top 20 US grad program.

I'll have to disagree on that one. Doing my PhD in the U.S as a Canadian citizen., I almost certainly would take a decent Canadian position over, say, a top 10 US job. It doesn't seem right that health care isn't universal in the States.

10 years ago, Canadian institutions had trouble attracting profs, and were eager to take Canadian-educated PhDs. Now, this is not so much the case, and receive more demand from abroad than domestically. I think it would be useful to look at the interview lists. For example, I don't recall seeing any Canadian-PhD-educated applicants on UBC's recruitment seminar listings this past year. The recruitment lists are useful because they give an idea of who has a potential shot at those positions. Some schools get turned down by numerous applicants before settling on their final hire. IMHO, if you were a Canadian citizen doing your PhD at a top US department - you'd probably have very good prospects in the Canadian job market (assuming good job market paper)

[ICECOLDECON]

Originally Posted by tennisboy85

I think that nobody in his right mind (or with some personal reasons) would take an offer from a PhD at any Canadian institution, over an offer at a top 20 US grad program.

I think it all depends on individual preferences. I assume youre making this point b/c you think that you are comparing apples to oranges (your point being that there isnt really a top 20 US program that doesnt beat out UBC which is probably on the verge of top 20 international wise). If youre comparing two programs that are similarly ranked, then it comes down to things such as your penchant for cold weather (outside of BC), how well you are able to cope with a more liberal culture, how often you would need to travel into the U.S. etc..

Of course some of these same comparisons can be made b/t southern and northern coastal US schools.

[Demisel]

Originally Posted by TheBrothersKaramazov

It doesn't seem right that health care isn't universal in the States.

This is a little off the topic, but in case anybody's interested: In 1974, Nixon introduced his health insurance plan, which is very similar to Hillary Clinton's proposed plan in 2007. That would've given the United States universal health care 10 years before Canada, but the AFL-CIO (despite supporting universal health care) blocked Nixon's plan, because they hoped for an even better plan from the next president.