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Hokies
01-14-2015, 01:15 AM
Hello, I noticed that this application cycle there wasn't a thread for those of us interested in agricultural, resource, or applied /development etc economics programs.
I recognize most applications are due already, so best of luck to all of you! I think Cornell will be the first for us to hear back from!

How would you guys rank the different applied economics programs?

publicaffairsny
01-14-2015, 01:39 AM
I'd be interested in learning a bit more about these programs. I've looked into cornell's program and it seems like they have policy tracks in their ARE program. I just have this prejudice towards the field because I don't understand it and I'm not interested in agriculture. I realize today it deals more with issues of creating policy in the face of constrained optimization. Would you share some of your research interests and what drew you to this field?

Hokies
01-14-2015, 02:28 AM
Sure! I am very interested in development, like working at the World Bank or in the IMF. I have many family friends who work there and they suggested to look into these programs specifically--they focus on field research and looking at forming optimizaiton, regression, etc using collected data. Many of my friends who are studying at schools in these fields are going to various countries these summers to conduct impact assessments on USAID funded projeccts or ones funded by IFPRI. However, if you are interested in let's say sustainability or maybe behavioral economics this would be also the field for you.

Here are some articles that are somewhat related that are from the NYTimes that show some examples of "applied" economics. Some schools are more agriculture than others--this is purely based on the fact that many of these programs are from "land grant schools" and are housed in the college of agriculture--Cornell is in the Ag school but has broadened itself a bit--in that the behavioral masters program for example has a tuition associated in the Ivy section of the university, not the contract (I can clarify if needed)

Lunch Lines http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/10/21/opinion/20101021_Oplunch.html?_r=0
Food Riots http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/05/science/earth/05harvest.html?pagewanted=all

I think the major difference here is that you use real world data and then try and see how it relates to economic theory--externalities fit and models aren't always right.

Blanket
01-14-2015, 06:16 AM
Hokies, thanks for the thread. If you don't mind, can you, and other ARE applicants, share your profiles in this thread, or the Profiles/Results thread? I'm interested in the profiles/targeting. Thanks and good luck!

- fellow prospective ARE applicant

publicaffairsny
01-14-2015, 04:33 PM
Sure! I am very interested in development, like working at the World Bank or in the IMF. I have many family friends who work there and they suggested to look into these programs specifically--they focus on field research and looking at forming optimizaiton, regression, etc using collected data. Many of my friends who are studying at schools in these fields are going to various countries these summers to conduct impact assessments on USAID funded projeccts or ones funded by IFPRI. However, if you are interested in let's say sustainability or maybe behavioral economics this would be also the field for you.

Here are some articles that are somewhat related that are from the NYTimes that show some examples of "applied" economics. Some schools are more agriculture than others--this is purely based on the fact that many of these programs are from "land grant schools" and are housed in the college of agriculture--Cornell is in the Ag school but has broadened itself a bit--in that the behavioral masters program for example has a tuition associated in the Ivy section of the university, not the contract (I can clarify if needed)

Lunch Lines http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/10/21/opinion/20101021_Oplunch.html?_r=0
Food Riots http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/05/science/earth/05harvest.html?pagewanted=all

I think the major difference here is that you use real world data and then try and see how it relates to economic theory--externalities fit and models aren't always right.

This sounds great since I'm mostly interested in empirical research and regression analysis. How does admissions to Cornell AEM or UMD College Park ARE compare to Cornell Econ or UMD Econ?

pylaios
01-20-2015, 07:58 AM
I thought I'd give this thread some life. I'm applying for mostly ARE programs (seven all together) and a few Geography programs. I'm an American student coming out of a European master's program and anxiously awaiting results (didn't apply to Ohio and I'm expecting first results not for another month or so).

Anyway, thought I'd at least give the thread a little bump and connect with other ARE-ers. I'm waiting on Berkeley, Virginia Tech, Penn, Purdue and Florida ARE and Davis and Illinois Geography. I went for Geography for a few because of professor matches and because I want to work in ABM and spatial modeling, so it seemed like a cool option.

Hokies
01-23-2015, 11:22 AM
Awesome, I applied to VT, Maryland, and MSU. I think for ARE it may be more competitive in some programs because it's a much harder "fit." It's different then let's say applying to UChicago for economics. But compared to applying to Maryland for general Econ, Maryland ARE is one of the best applied economics programs and specializes in resource economics, so unless you have that background it would seem odd to apply?

pylaios
01-28-2015, 08:55 AM
First responses came in. Admits to University of Florida FRED and to Virginia Tech arrived via email last night. No changes to their websites, yet, notifications through admissions coordinators. Both with funding, but not clear on amount/exact type yet. Good luck to everyone!

Hokies
01-28-2015, 08:36 PM
just heard from VT too! might meet you at the weekend event!

sulebrahim
01-28-2015, 09:49 PM
congrats on the admits

bvd
01-29-2015, 07:34 AM
Admitted at Minnesota Applied last Friday with no word on funding.

pylaios
01-29-2015, 02:15 PM
just heard from VT too! might meet you at the weekend event!

I'd love it if I could make it, but I'm based out of Europe right now. Have fun if you go! I'm looking forward to hearing more.

user727
02-01-2015, 02:40 PM
Congrats on the admits! Decided to apply to ARE programs pretty late in the game. I wish I had applied to the schools that sent decisions as early as January. The wait is killing me! Good luck to everyone!

pylaios
02-01-2015, 03:58 PM
Hey, good luck on your apps! Where did you apply to?

pylaios
02-02-2015, 06:48 PM
Heard back from Purdue today, admitted with an assitanceship. Very nice email, making decisions tougher for me and my girlfriend!

hardball162
02-04-2015, 04:18 PM
Institution: Penn State
Program: Ag Econ
Decision: Admitted
Funding: TBD
Notification date: 1/29/2015
Notified through: department email
Posted on GC: no
Comments: Email from department, will get official acceptance notification in upcoming weeks along w/ funding info

Institution: Oregon State University
Program: Ag Econ PhD
Decision: Admitted
Funding: N/A
Notification date: 2/3/2015
Notified through: email
Posted on GC: no
Comments: no word in the email on funding, I imagine that means I did not get any, will follow up though

pylaios
02-04-2015, 09:27 PM
Congrats on the admits hardball162! I had emailed Penn State to ask about decision timeline and heard back I was rejected, but got in today to UC Davis's Geography program. Still waiting on Berkeley and Illinois, and my girlfriend is waiting for Davis ARE as well.

Hokies
02-05-2015, 12:07 PM
Did anyone hear from Cornell AEM Masters? I saw on Gradcafe people heard back for PhD

pylaios
02-05-2015, 02:32 PM
Did anyone hear from Cornell AEM Masters? I saw on Gradcafe people heard back for PhD

I didn't apply so not sure, but I also saw the (just one) GC post

hardball162
02-05-2015, 03:26 PM
Congrats on the admit pylaios! are you going for geography at Berkeley and Illinois or ARE? Best of luck to you and your girlfriend

BluWander
02-05-2015, 03:40 PM
I just got an email from Cornell AEM this morning. I am waitlisted by their PhD program, and they strongly encourage me to attend the open house. Anyone who is also waitlisted? This is my first result, hopefully there will be offers later..

pylaios
02-06-2015, 07:54 AM
Congrats on the admit pylaios! are you going for geography at Berkeley and Illinois or ARE? Best of luck to you and your girlfriend

Thanks! I'm going for ARE at Berkeley and Geography at Illinois. I had been in touch with an ARE professor at Illinois that does what I do, but he advised that funding was tight, so I looked at the geography program and found some interesting opportunities.

We're looking forward to hearing from Davis and also getting the official info from Florida, but right now our debate is a back and forth over the pros and cons of Purdue and Virginia Tech. The program at Purdue is fantastic, but we're not so excited about the location. And while I think Purdue's bigger department is an asset, Virginia Tech could have some cool opportunities and offer a great degree, while also being in a better location for us. It's tough, nothing's clear enough to be a decisive choice! If she gets into Davis and Florida offers something really interesting, I don't know what we'll do!

Any thoughts among everyone here about balancing the department and the location?

hardball162
02-06-2015, 04:54 PM
I have gotten conflicting answers on how big of a role location should play in your decision (and it ultimately should vary with personality) a couple things to consider

1) Cost of living. I think there is probably a wider range in the cost of living among locations than there is in funding (e.g. you can't really expect to get much more $ from NYU than UConn just because NYC is far more expensive than Storrs, CT)

2) Distractions. This can go either way. one of my advisers has told me that he thinks there are benefits to doing your program in a location that isn't necessarily overly appealing to you, as it provides motivation to focus on work and complete your degree expeditiously.

3) Mental health/enjoyment. For me, location is pretty important, and I might even be giving it too large of a role in my decision process. I much prefer rural areas to cities, which makes it difficult because premier institutions tend to be in more highly populated areas. We are going to spend at least 4 years where ever we choose, and that will be a lot more depressing if all we can think about is, "I can't wait to get out of here." I know I won't have all that much time for hiking, golfing, or snowboarding, but it is important for me to place myself somewhere that I can at least do these things on the rare weekend with free time.

I'm sure other people can add more, since I haven't actually experienced the outcomes at the PhD level (I allowed location to play a big role my decision of where to pursue a Master's degree, and I have mixed feelings about the outcome).

hardball162
02-12-2015, 02:50 PM
Hey y'all - I recently found out that I got into University of Michigan's School of Natural Resources and the Environment PhD program, specifically, I would pursue the "resource policy and behaviour" stream. I was wondering if anyone knows much about this program. I know it is a bit different than a traditional ARE program, but they have a lot of people using econometric techniques to study resource use and policies. Does anyone have any experience with this program? I'm thrilled, but I'm curious how limiting it would be to get a degree that does not have the word "economics" in it (I'm more interested in think-tank/NGO/government jobs than academia though).

ColonelForbin
02-12-2015, 05:01 PM
I know I won't have all that much time for hiking, golfing, or snowboarding, but it is important for me to place myself somewhere that I can at least do these things on the rare weekend with free time.

I think people overestimate how much punishment you must endure during the Ph.D. Certainly, it is a lot of work and you will be busy, but this makes it all the more important to have outlets and to make​ time for them.

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

pylaios
02-12-2015, 08:24 PM
Hey y'all - I recently found out that I got into University of Michigan's School of Natural Resources and the Environment PhD program, specifically, I would pursue the "resource policy and behaviour" stream. I was wondering if anyone knows much about this program. I know it is a bit different than a traditional ARE program, but they have a lot of people using econometric techniques to study resource use and policies. Does anyone have any experience with this program? I'm thrilled, but I'm curious how limiting it would be to get a degree that does not have the word "economics" in it (I'm more interested in think-tank/NGO/government jobs than academia though).

I don't know too much about Michigan's department specifically, but I had a similar question when I was looking around at where to apply. I'm interested in simulation modeling, ABM and integrated assessment, and I found a lot of labs working out of Natural Resources or Forestry and Natural Resources that did good research for me. But I felt the same way that it might be limiting.

On the one hand, 'Economics' or even 'Agricultural Economics' signals a clear general background that went into the degree, but 'Natural Resource and the Environment' doesn't really indicate clearly what your PhD means. The program likely includes good coursework and you will leave with the skills necessary to succeed in a think tank/NGO/public job, I'm sure, but it might be that you're always in that 'and other related degree' part of the job qualifications for education. Then again, it's all speculation how much that matters and I'd bet in the field of resource policy and behavior Michigan's program is known.

Also, these sorts of interdisciplinary departments have become really popular recently. Obviously, Michigan is a great program and just looking through the faculty list it's clearly got some great talent and researchers. They definitely publish well and I know Agrawal, for example, is well cited and respected in the literature on collective action management and institutions. So it's probably not a real risk, and if things continue down the path of more interdisciplinary approaches to these issues you will get in on the ground floor.

So while I understand the feeling, I think it's a pretty safe bet you won't face too many limitations. I think it's more a matter of personal preference whether you want that doctorate in a more traditional area, and the actual effects on future career will depend more on what you researched, whether you published and what networking you did. I'd bet the program at Michigan will give you a strong resume in that regard.

Hokies
02-12-2015, 09:15 PM
has anyone heard from cornell's masters yet?

aka2471989
03-03-2015, 09:08 PM
Hello! Anyone planning to visit Purdue and Michigan State? I heard that Purdue does one-on-one visit, and Michigan State will host a conference or open house on March 19th and 20th. I am wondering if those schools reimburse students for travel expense. Thanks!

cbranh01
03-03-2015, 10:22 PM
What are peoples thoughts on Maryland ARE if I am interested in economic development. I saw someone say you shouldn't go unless you are interested in resource economics

ExclamationMarx
03-04-2015, 03:24 AM
What are peoples thoughts on Maryland ARE if I am interested in economic development. I saw someone say you shouldn't go unless you are interested in resource economics

I'm interested in this as well. Any insights would be much appreciated.

user727
03-04-2015, 03:13 PM
I am also waitlisted, but not at Cornell AEM. What are the chances of getting off the waitlist (and hopefully with some funding)?

JohnnyCash
03-04-2015, 11:43 PM
Hi there, I applied to a lot of (overly competitive, i.e. top 20) ECON departments, 2 Public Policy, and some ARE/AE departments. So far I've been accepted into Wisconsin Madison (ARE) and Minnesota (AE) for the PhD. I am, too, interested on the opinion of others on the feasibility of doing development work in Maryland. Good luck to y'all!

Gandalf
03-06-2015, 04:05 AM
Maryland has good development groups in both AREC and ECON and a great location relative to development agencies in Washington DC. It is definitely worth considering.

EustaciaVye
03-12-2015, 04:37 PM
Hi everyone,

I'm a currently an econ MA student and am planning on applying to mostly Applied/AREC doctoral programs for the next cycle (likely with a smattering of pure programs sprinkled in for good measure). My question to you guys is: how does one know which AREC schools one might be a competitive at?

Most of the profiles/ results are for pure programs, and it seems like the majority of the posters on this site have near perfect GPA's, 6 semesters of Real Analysis, and letters of recommendation from John Nash.

I've spoken to various professors at my MA program but I have a strong suspicion that they might be taking an overly optimistic view of my chances. How did everyone here attempt to discern what level of school to target?

Thanks! Any and all advice is appreciated.

hardball162
03-13-2015, 02:29 PM
A good place to start would be to look at the people posting on this thread and the ARE threads for previous years. You can click on their profile and see if they posted their stats in the past.

Econhead
03-13-2015, 02:54 PM
A good place to start would be to look at the people posting on this thread and the ARE threads for previous years. You can click on their profile and see if they posted their stats in the past.

I'm not an individual for whom this matters, but I suspect the individual to whom you are responding is looking for information broadly. That is, It's a little bit more clear who gets accepted to the top AAE/ARE programs (Berkley, Davis, Maryland, Cornell), but I think it is much more nebulous for programs that people don't ever talk about (e.g. University of Missouri). Someone asked me this one before, and my reply was that except for the very well-known programs, AAE/ARE programs are probably less well-known/competitive than their Econ counterparts (at the same university).

Can anyone speak to this?

ColonelForbin
03-13-2015, 03:10 PM
This doesn't directly address you question, but I think it'll offer some insight:

The top ARE program is Berkeley. The remainder of the top-10 ARE programs (now-a-days) are second tier (this comes directly from an advisor). Maryland AREC has good professors, but their reputation seems to be based on historical strength. In this world, Berkeley is in a league of it's own -- and the many top applicants with interests that suit the ARE field apply to all pure economics and Berkeley ARE as a result, ignoring Maryland AREc, Davis ARE, Wisconsin AAE, Ohio State AEDE, etc. Yale FES Environmental Economics is floating around somewhere too -- but I don't consider them an ARE program. It probably about as difficult to get into Berkeley ARE as it is to get into Yale FES.

This is what I would say the rankings are for ARE:

1 - Berkeley
3 - Maryland & Davis (I omit 2 to say there is a gap!)

then:
NC State
Iowa State
Cornell
Wisconsin
Ohio State
Purdue
Minnesota

Getting into the ARE program at Berkeley is easier than getting into the Economics program at Berkeley. I'd also say this is true for Maryland AREC v Maryland Econ, Wisconsin AAE v Wisconsin Econ, David ARE v Davis Econ... you get the point.

In terms of competitiveness -- some people project Berkeley ARE ~ top-20 economics. I think this is relatively correct -- I was offered a spot at Berkeley ARE and the highest pure economics program I've been accepted to is Duke, WL @ Michigan and still waiting for UCSD.

When you get further down in the rankings -- research fit is very important. These programs still look for quantitatively strong applicants, but if the department focuses on extension-style research and you want to do international development, there just isn't much value-added in attending that program.

However, you have to remember that ARE programs do a bit different research. They typically focus on applied microeconomics and actually have very little to do with agriculture these days. Even at the top programs, match is particularly important.

weakerthan
03-13-2015, 08:47 PM
Congrats, ColonelForbin! I would love to hear how you are feeling about Berkeley ARE vs Duke, or your possible admits at Michigan and UCSD. Feel free to PM me if you feel like discussing.

EustaciaVye
03-14-2015, 07:07 PM
Thanks ColonelForbin. I am aware that ARE schools are easier to get into than their pure counterparts and of the fundamental difference between pure and applied programs. I know I don't have a chance at Berkeley, and Maryland and Davis are likely long shots, though those are actually the schools that two of the professors who will be writing my letters attended. However, I am currently looking closely at all the schools you mention as being in the second tier, as well as some pure programs outside of the top 50 with strengths in applied micro. I posted my profile in the general forum, but only got one or two responses.

There just doesn't seem to be as much information out there with regards to the candidates getting offers from various ARE programs, so I'm having difficulty determining whether the second tier schools are reasonably good fits or reaches in my case.

JohnnyCash
03-16-2015, 06:19 AM
Here's my 2 cents. I have so far received 3 letters of acceptance: Wiscon ARE, Minnesota AE, and Brown ECON. I was rejected from Berkeley ARE and Davis ARE. This makes me think that getting into a top PhD in ARE/AE may not be as easy as some think (since Brown > Davis ECON > Davis ARE, according to ColonelForbin). Hopes this helps and you get into the PhD of your dreams! (Btw, my credentials are as follows, in case you want to calibrate your chances, notwhitstanding the many unobservables: math real analysis, topology, BA in economics with honors from top school in my country, 2 years experience at central bank, 3 working papers, GRE: 163/168/4,5).

EustaciaVye
03-16-2015, 03:51 PM
Hi JohnnyCash. Thanks for your response. It's interesting that you got accepted at Brown and denied at Davis ARE as it defies the conventional wisdom (at least on this website). I guess I shouldn't rely on ARE programs being easier to in to, and it seems as though your undergraduate performance was much better than mine. I didn't work particularly hard as an undergrad, majored in math and did not take a single econ course. I'm now at a two year thesis-based MA, but I'm just not sure how much a stellar masters GPA can make up for a mediocre undergrad GPA, particularly since my masters institution doesn't have a phd program. I ended up with a 3.63 in undergrad with B's in a few important classes early on (BA in math) and now have a 4.0 so far in my masters program. I've seen other "marginal undergrad GPA, high masters GPA" profiles and results, but they were all applying to pure programs.

Anyway, thanks for your insight and a hearty congratulations on the Brown acceptance! Providence RI is a pretty fun little city if you've never been there.

JohnnyCash
03-17-2015, 01:22 PM
Hi Eustacia. I think that good performance in the MA. should make up for not so stellar performance in the BA. Fit in applied and agricultural programs is particularly important, so you should definitely spend some time studying the faculty. Good luck!

djARE
03-20-2015, 01:05 AM
Is there anyone that still hasn't hear from Maryland? I know they probably have given out a few admissions according to posts on GC but seems that no wait list or rejections released.

hardball162
03-23-2015, 02:58 PM
Is there anyone that still hasn't hear from Maryland? I know they probably have given out a few admissions according to posts on GC but seems that no wait list or rejections released.

I still have not heard from Maryland or UMass. It seems really late and is pretty frustrating.

djARE
04-14-2015, 04:15 AM
Waitlisted for funding for U of Minn and Iowa State... I feel like my application season is just getting started while everyone else is almost there...