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Centrum
02-15-2008, 05:24 PM
Hey guys,
it seems to me that most active members on this forum (this year's applicants) are from the US, Canada, or Asia.
Is there anyone applying this year who is from europe? I was just wondering how the profiles of european applicants look like and what kind of schools you applied to.

Do you even plan to pursue a PhD in the US or did you only apply to programs in europe??

I am also curious how adcoms will look at grades of international applicants...since grading is different in many countries! Do they just look at what rank you have in your class and how well-known your university is??

Hope someone has some info...

Equilibrium
02-15-2008, 05:29 PM
from what professors i have talked to have to say, US schools prefer to see that you were a top tier student at one of the better universities available to you overseas. They know that generally measures of gpa are more exacting in overseas programs, but that should not be a mask for someone who didn't finish near the top of their class, something adcoms are much more willing to evaluate on since it's a bit of a known quantity at least from institutions with a good track record of sending over students, hope this helps

econphilomath
02-15-2008, 05:54 PM
Latin America ...Presente!

Ok this is how the whole GPA, international thing goes (from what I have gathered). It all boils down to uncertainty the adcoms face and your LORs. If you are from overseas the LOR's are much more important. If your country/university has a record of placing students at programs in the US, then your intra-country/university ranking will be relevant. The grade "level" is not very informative. If your program places 15 guys every year at top departments (Di Tella in Argentina for example.) you can get cut some slack for not being number 1.

The point is your LOR will explain why you would make a good researcher and why you will excel at program X. It will put your GPA into perspective for the adcom. If every year a guy from your country with a 3.0 GPA goes off to some top 10 econ department and does well, the adcom will know about it and take it into account. Having said that, your LOR needs some ammo to make his(or her) letter credible. Your grades/ranking is something useful in this respect because it gives your LOR something to talk about and back up claims that you are great.

What happens if your from a little know place, with no credible LORs, and not much experience in placing students in the past? Well your pretty much F @#$%ed . (just j/k) You probably need to do an MA somewhere else where they do have credible LORs and experience in placeing students. This is a steeping stone on your way to the Nobel. There have been lots of threads regarding this topic and if you look a bit you can find a list of good MA programs with good placements.


BTW, from what I gather, grades are tough pretty much everywhere in the world besides the US, not just Europe.

doubtful
02-15-2008, 05:59 PM
I am european, even though I have been in the Us for almost three years now;.

ForTheWin!_08
02-15-2008, 06:01 PM
Am I wrong in guessing that I'm the only African around here? Lurkers...?

(Sorry, I know it's slightly off topic.)

Mr.Keen
02-15-2008, 06:11 PM
Kelewele is African.

tangsiuje
02-15-2008, 06:29 PM
There is quite a number of European applicants on TM, some of them quite successful in obtaining admits. Most of the successful ones, however, tend to have a longer record of tertiary studies than the average American applicant. If you browse around the economics grad student webpages at top US universities, you tend to find quite a number of Turkish, Italian, German and Spanish students, for instance.

I'm a Swede stationed in the greyness of England. Bachelor's degrees here are only three years, and we have exams only once a year, which puts us in a quite bad situation with regard to PhD program admission directly from undergrad. I'm only applying for a couple of Canadian master's programs this year. The professors at my school found it unlikely - not to say impossible - that someone with a three-year bachelor's degree from here would make it into a top US PhD program directly from undergraduate (my degree isn't even pure economics), and suggested I'd get a master's before even trying. However, I'm sure that a few Oxbridge people will manage, given that their system is about nurturing good and personal relationships with your professors from day 1: no problem of getting good LORs there...

okcash
02-15-2008, 07:26 PM
from Istanbul with love,,

I do BSc in Math-Econ at LSE External and Istanbul Bilgi University,


of course it's to whom it may concern,,

Applying to: Cornell, Duke, Pittsburgh, Rochester, Rice, USC, UCI, Virginia, UNC-CH, BU,,

asquare
02-15-2008, 11:33 PM
Am I wrong in guessing that I'm the only African around here? Lurkers...?

(Sorry, I know it's slightly off topic.)
I don't know about on TM, but there are a lot of South African students at U-Mich.

Cimbom
02-16-2008, 04:08 AM
[quote=tangsiuje;548084]There is quite a number of European applicants on TM, some of them quite successful in obtaining admits. Most of the successful ones, however, tend to have a longer record of tertiary studies than the average American applicant. If you browse around the economics grad student webpages at top US universities, you tend to find quite a number of Turkish, Italian, German and Spanish and students, for instance.

quote]

Tangsiuje, thanks for counting Turkey as European, not everyone does :)
Anyway, I am a Turkish applicant aiming for top 10 programs. We will see in a couple of weeks whether it was a good strategy or not.

Good luck to everyone.

Antonio
02-16-2008, 12:10 PM
ITALY is here!!!!!!!!!!

Valhalla
02-16-2008, 01:08 PM
Following the FIFA - Rules I am also from europe :-) Israel is here!

filroz
02-17-2008, 04:10 PM
It would be great to get to as good school as is our national Fifa Rating
:p

fp3690
02-17-2008, 05:22 PM
It would be great to get to as good school as is our national Fifa Rating
:p

You said it!

filroz
02-17-2008, 05:47 PM
1 Argentina (http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=arg/ranking/gender=m/index.html)
2 Brazil (http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=bra/ranking/gender=m/index.html)
3 Italy (http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=ita/ranking/gender=m/index.html)
4 Spain (http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=esp/ranking/gender=m/index.html)
5 Germany (http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=ger/ranking/gender=m/index.html)
6 http://www.fifa.com/imgml/flags/s/cze.gif (http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=cze/ranking/gender=m/index.html) Czech Republic [clap] (http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=cze/ranking/gender=m/index.html)
7 France (http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=fra/ranking/gender=m/index.html)
8 Portugal (http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=por/ranking/gender=m/index.html)
9 Netherlands (http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=ned/ranking/gender=m/index.html)
10 Greece (http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=gre/ranking/gender=m/index.html)

some top school for me :D
Thank you Petr Čech and Tomáš Rosický:tup:

and if you do not like soccer, I am fine with hockey as well :)

dr_Shpak
02-17-2008, 06:00 PM
Russia !

I'l better say nothing about football :))

dr_Shpak
02-17-2008, 06:01 PM
i mean soccer :)

pevdoki1
02-17-2008, 06:05 PM
dr_Shpak - здорово, камрад =)

I better type in English since I already got warning for posting in Russian. Where in Russia are you from?

And we aren't that bad - beat England in the qualifying round.. UEFA, here we come !!! (of course, we're going to lose soon, but at least we made it past the qualifiers)

pevdoki1
02-17-2008, 06:07 PM
filroz: the Czech team is our hockey arch nemesis :mad:

But at least I always root for Czech Republic when I'm watching the World Cup :D

Lantash
02-17-2008, 07:01 PM
Belgium here !!
undergrad at the Free university of Brussels
and grad degree from the Univ. of Warwick (UK) !!

appliedtheorist
02-17-2008, 07:14 PM
Germany (one grad degree from Germany and another grad degree from the UK).

dr_Shpak
02-17-2008, 07:38 PM
to pevdoki 1

i am from Moscow (Moscow State University) and you? As i remember you got BS in US?

pevdoki1
02-17-2008, 07:56 PM
Yes, I got my BS in the U.S., but I'm from St Petersburg

Я
достаю
из широких штанин
дубликатом
бесценного груза.
Читайте,
завидуйте,
я -
гражданин .... ну и так далее :D

filroz
02-17-2008, 07:59 PM
pevdoki1 (http://www.urch.com/forums/../members/pevdoki1.html): you are Russian? If it is so, I should shut up before you aim your nuclear rockets at me
:doh::eek:

pevdoki1
02-17-2008, 08:02 PM
I would never aim rockets at the Czech :tup:

In fact, I always wanted to visit Prague and drink some Czech beer, and perhaps I will do it this summer =)

filroz
02-17-2008, 08:07 PM
If we end up both in New Brunswick, then come and I buy you one
:p

pevdoki1
02-17-2008, 08:08 PM
I will aim some rockets at Rutgers and tell them to give you funding :D

filroz
02-17-2008, 08:16 PM
That would be great, still I would rather go to LSE normal master, if I would be eventually admitted, but I am not sure.
I wish the undergrad GPA would be considered as outlier and ignored as such...
But I do not know whether master from LSE can overwrite your undergrad GPA, especially if you apply without grades... so going to Rutgers is not that bad anyway...

btw, IT IS COMMING!!!!

dr_Shpak
02-17-2008, 08:53 PM
Congratulations filroz you just made your 100 post ;)

to pevdoki1 don't use russian pls. :)

May be i do not know something, but Russia has some problems with Czech Republic ? You mean US army bases ?

Karina 07
02-17-2008, 09:06 PM
All these Russian folks... can I visit you? ;) J/k, but I'm half-Russian and always wanted to go there sometime.

pevdoki1
02-17-2008, 09:18 PM
Sure, you can go with me this summer - first to Prague to drink beer with Filroz, and then to St Petersburg :D

dr_Shpak
02-17-2008, 09:33 PM
to Karina 07

And do you speak russian ? and were are you from ?

I hope i would not be in Russia this summer, if i am lucky (will be admited somewhere :) ) I will go to Croatia to study croatian :) BTW, is here somebody from Balkanian countries ?

filroz
02-17-2008, 09:49 PM
May be i do not know something, but Russia has some problems with Czech Republic ? You mean US army bases ?
Yes, it is quite a topic here...


Sure, you can go with me this summer - first to Prague to drink beer with Filroz, and then to St Petersburg :DYou are officially invited :)

Somewhere on tm there were discussion whether European universities are good, or whether European(or international in general) applicants are rationed. I would say that the main disadvantage is that the systems are not comparable. For example here, the grades are not important at all!!! Neither in post graduate admission process nor in job market. And then you find out about GPA cuts...
Sorry for bothering you with it, I am just thinking about it and I was wondering what do you think about it...?

dr_Shpak
02-17-2008, 11:10 PM
In Russia everybody already forgot about US bases (presedent election is coming) :)

In my university nobody cares about grads too, and it is not good for me now :)

sushigushi
02-18-2008, 12:27 AM
I will go to Croatia to study croatian :) BTW, is here somebody from Balkanian countries ?

Ahh... OK, a double call, now I have to respond.

Here's a person from a Balkan country (yes, I speak fluent Serbo-Croat.. :) who grew up in the Netherlands...

Another funny fact, Shpak, I actually went to St. Petersburg a few years back to study Russian...

Karina 07
02-18-2008, 03:57 AM
Sure, you can go with me this summer - first to Prague to drink beer with Filroz, and then to St Petersburg :D


Yes, it is quite a topic here...
You are officially invited :)

Sweet!! :) Now I just have to find a way to actually do all that (er... perhaps unlikely... but never say never).

dr_Shpak
02-18-2008, 09:03 AM
to sushigushi

Where are you from (Serbia or Croatia) ? How is you russian ? :)
Do not tell me that you speak fluently Croatian :grad: i am crazy studing it for a year :wallbash: But i am a real fan of Croatia [banana]and Bosnia so i really enjoy it :)