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Thread: Meritocracy in placement, admissions or both? Answer: Placement is Meritocratic.

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    Meritocracy in placement, admissions or both? Answer: Placement is Meritocratic.

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    It would make sense to me that the best researchers end coming out of the most well regarded schools because said schools have the best training. On the other hand, it would also make sense to me that the best schools have the best placements because they attract those who are most capable of producing the best work.

    So the philosoraptor's question is:




    That is: given equal publication records and publication potential, what does going to a top 20 school mean vs going to a top 100 school?

    A t100 might well make you work harder for your support, so maybe a the t100 w/ similar publications is actually the better student?
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    The best professors tend to be at the best schools -- and their letters carry heavy weight when placing students into jobs.

    Prestigious schools tend to attract the best graduates -- but we see a really interesting trend happening when schools like Rice and UCSD are so heavily-packed with top researchers because of other factors (location, program culture, etc.).

    I don't think there's a real way to parse the philosoraptor paradox because we do typically see equitable matchings for top students going to top programs, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Behavioral View Post
    The best professors tend to be at the best schools -- and their letters carry heavy weight when placing students into jobs.

    Prestigious schools tend to attract the best graduates -- but we see a really interesting trend happening when schools like Rice and UCSD are so heavily-packed with top researchers because of other factors (location, program culture, etc.).

    I don't think there's a real way to parse the philosoraptor paradox because we do typically see equitable matchings for top students going to top programs, etc.
    Hum.. what are placements out of Rice and UCSD like? anyone know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsaylors View Post
    Hum.. what are placements out of Rice and UCSD like? anyone know?
    Neither has graduated a cohort yet.

    My statements were about the programs attracting some exceptional programs while still being completely new and 'untested'.

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    But yeah, if people are interested, I would be paying a lot of attention on those two schools in the near future to see how the graduates do.

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    Endogeneity! I don't know the answer, and I don't know if it matters. The best schools get the best placements either because they have the best students or the best teacher or both.

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    Sounds like nature vs. nurture restated for academic placements so taking an interactionist view, likely part of it is applicants with incrementally better ability at top schools and incrementally better researchers teaching those individuals. I suppose prestige also plays a large role in academia but I believe that if you're good, then you're good and people will notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nadasurf View Post
    Sounds like nature vs. nurture restated for academic placements so taking an interactionist view, likely part of it is applicants with incrementally better ability at top schools and incrementally better researchers teaching those individuals. I suppose prestige also plays a large role in academia but I believe that if you're good, then you're good and people will notice.
    I think the bolded part is true, eventually. A good person from a middle of the pack school is going to have to work harder, longer to "make their bones" than someone from a top school. That great middle pack grad will eventually make it somewhere good, but it's going to take longer.

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    Top schools, at least in marketing, seem to only hire each other's candidates. There have been great candidates (in terms of publications) out of lesser ranked schools who had no chance on the job market for the Stanford, Chicago, Northwestern, Wharton's of the world. Look at some of the recent University of Houston placements/ their vita.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yangyang2000 View Post
    Top schools, at least in marketing, seem to only hire each other's candidates. There have been great candidates (in terms of publications) out of lesser ranked schools who had no chance on the job market for the Stanford, Chicago, Northwestern, Wharton's of the world. Look at some of the recent University of Houston placements/ their vita.
    There is probably some truth to this; however, placement records reflect so much more than the school's prestige or training. I would put my money on a solid researcher from a Top 25 school who can sell his/her ideas over a solid researcher from a Top 5 school who lacks communicative polish.

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