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    Undergrad: Bachelor in Business Administration from a German university: 3.0 (Grades are from 1 to 5 with 1 being the best.)
    Math courses: Mathmatics 1+2, Statistics 1+2
    Econ courses: Macroeconomics 1+2
    Grad: Master in Business Administration at Humboldt University Berlin: 1.8 (Grades are from 1 to 5 with 1 being the best,)
    Math courses: Econometrics 1+2
    Econ courses: Game Theory 1+2
    GRE: Quant 166, Verbal 153, AWA 4.5
    LORs will be from two of my professor and a PhD with whom I worked with during my Master Thesis. Both should be strong. The professors have a good reputation in Germany. They have good publications.
    My focus is on macroeconomics. I have some practical experience in that field through student jobs and internships.

    I know my profile is not that strong, so I wouldnt even try to go for top schools. I was more thinking about the 20 to 40 schools.

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    Where do your professors think you should apply?

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    I am concerned at how this applicant can signal commitment to Econ graduate programs. It's not a straightforward jump from MBA to Econ PhD even if an MBA in germany would probably be quite technical.

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    To the OP, berlin, its sometimes difficult for this forum to comment on the profile strength of non-Americans because our education systems may be different. For example, we may have little idea as to what Mathematics 1+2 entail. Similarly, its difficult to evaluate your grades. For all I know, 4's and 5's may only be given out once every ten years or something, in which case a 3 is excellent.

    I think your best bet is to try to find someone on the forum (and I'm sure there is someone) who is familiar with the German system.

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    Sorry for my late answer. thanks for the answers so far.

    Where do your professors think you should apply?
    The one said that it is generally hard for internationals. The other one said considering my profile I should get accepted somewhere if I am willing to send out 20 applications. They highly support my application. I wrote my master thesis for the one and are an RA/TA for the other one right now.

    I am concerned at how this applicant can signal commitment to Econ graduate programs. It's not a straightforward jump from MBA to Econ PhD even if an MBA in germany would probably be quite technical.
    It is not a typical MBA program (by American standards). It is highly researched oriented. Our welcome message was:This program is intended to prepare you for researching not for getting an industry job. We had to write a preferrably empirical thesis etc.

    For example, we may have little idea as to what Mathematics 1+2 entail.
    At the end of the post I will post the content of my quant classes. The problem is that my grades during my undergrad studies were horrible. I mean Cs and Ds. My graduate grades were good. but the only quantitative class i took was econometric methods (syllabus below). I passed with an ok grade. I have already graduated but i am taking advanced mathematics as a guest. It will be graded. I hope that helps a bit. Besides my RA work i will take time series analysis (phd-level), but it wont get graded before march 2013.

    Altogether, I think my main problems are quantitative classes and my undergrad grades. My research experience and my LORs are in my favour. What are the chances at programs ranked top 15-50?

    appendix: syllabuses

    grad
    Advanced Mathematics (not part of my grad certificate):
    Sets, Relations, Preferences
    Vector Spaces and Linear Algebra
    Topology and Convex Optimization
    Differential calculus

    Econometric methods:
    Principles of Linear Regression
    Generalizations and Applications of the Linear Model
    Asymptotic Properties of OLS
    Maximum Likelihood Estimation
    Instrumental Variables Estimation
    Generalized Method of Moments

    undergrad (by looking at my grades it cannot be concluded by an adcom that i actually learned what i was supposed to )
    Mathematics I (Calculus):
    Derivatives
    Integrals
    Differential Equations

    Mathematics II (Linear Algebra):
    Vectors
    Matrices
    Determinants
    Linear Restriction Systems
    Linear Optimisation
    Relative Extrema of functions of multiple variables

    Statistics I
    Statistical Characteristics and Variables
    Measures for Describing Statistical Distributions
    Two-Dimensional Distributions
    Description of Time Series
    Index Numbers
    Elementary Combinatorics
    Fundamentals of Propability Theory
    Random Variables

    Statistics II
    Random Variables
    Multi-Dimensional Random Variables
    Stochastic Models and Special Discrete Distributions
    Stochastic Models and Special Continuous Distributions
    Limit Theorems
    Point Estimate
    Interval Estimate
    Test Theory
    Regression Analysis

    Statistics III:
    Multiple Regression

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    Quote Originally Posted by berlin View Post
    My profile:

    Undergrad: Bachelor in Business Administration from a German university: 3.0 (Grades are from 1 to 5 with 1 being the best.)
    Math courses: Mathmatics 1+2, Statistics 1+2
    Econ courses: Macroeconomics 1+2
    Grad: Master in Business Administration at Humboldt University Berlin: 1.8 (Grades are from 1 to 5 with 1 being the best,)
    Math courses: Econometrics 1+2
    Econ courses: Game Theory 1+2
    GRE: Quant 166, Verbal 153, AWA 4.5
    LORs will be from two of my professor and a PhD with whom I worked with during my Master Thesis. Both should be strong. The professors have a good reputation in Germany. They have good publications.
    My focus is on macroeconomics. I have some practical experience in that field through student jobs and internships.

    I know my profile is not that strong, so I wouldnt even try to go for top schools. I was more thinking about the 20 to 40 schools.
    Besides from the low gpa the lack of econ courses is a concern. How are your grades in the econ and math courses? Where are going to get your third letter from?
    Can take any courses during the fall semester?

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