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happyecon

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UG Top20 Math (3.9)+Science (3.6), overall 3.7 due to not studying -- partying too much during UG. No econ courses. I did well in UG real analysis and stochastic process, but I did not take any graduate level Math courses.

 

Master Top 20 management, 3.7 due to not studying -- I am working and doing research at the same time. Some Econ courses but at the B-school level only. My work is policy related; not a top place/big brand.

 

GRE: 160/167/4.5. I did not study for it because I got research to do. I can try to invest several weeks to score a 169 on V/Q but I guess it is unnecessary.

 

Math Course: about 20 undergraduate level math courses, including calculus series, analysis series, linear algebra, algebra series, ODE, PDE, geometry, probability, statistics, stochastic process, math-fin. Mostly A with few A- and one B, 3.9 subject GPA

 

Econ Courses: Business school econ courses, not PhD level, mostly A, one B.

 

Research: One top field with revision requested. Two top fields submitted with AE/Editor coauthoring. One other working paper that could be tried to submitted to top 5. My research is between consumer theory, IO, policy, and a bit finance-related.

Presented in top Economics/Business conferences (like AEA AFA) for five times.

 

Letter writers:

Currently one strong econ letter from a senior in top 5 (coauthor, regular meeting);

one b-school letter from a senior top 5 (coauthor, met for several times);

one strong stats/math letter from a senior in top 5 (coauthor, regular meeting last year);

one letter from an econ AP (non star) from top 20 (taking courses only);

one letter from an econ AP (non star) from top 20 (coauthor).

May invest more time to find better letter writers.

 

# of school to be applied: Honestly I don't know. If the number would not cause a problem for letter writers, then I would try to apply to as many schools as I can.

 

Dream Schools: US top 5 or UK top 2

 

As a nontraditional applicant, I know that in top places UGs with perfect grade and a good thesis are preferred. So what shall I prioritize? Here is my list:

 

1. Revising papers

2. Submit to Top 5

3. Get another stronger letter in Econ/B-school

4. Write an impressive SOP to explain my experience, non-traditional background, and my poor grades

5. Improve GRE

 

Does it sound reasonable? Thank you in advance for your advices!

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This doesn't make any sense.

 

If you have an R&R at a top field journal and more papers submitted and have co-authored with a couple of different senior faculty at top 5 departments who are going to write you strong letters, then you're a shoo-in at top five schools. Just ask your senior econ/b-school coauthors where you're going to go.

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Of course I asked they basically says something generic that I got chances and I need to apply to any programs that interests me. They got very tight schedule such that I don't think scheduling a 30-60 min meeting only for discussing my application is a good idea, provided that we need more time for finishing up the papers. They are happy to talk about research but I am not sure if they are willing to talk about application stuffs as when we started our research, I demonstrated a genuine research interests without mentioning that I want to do a PhD afterward. I am kind of afraid of that if I talk about the application too much, they might think that the only reason that I am doing research is to get a position.
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Math Course: about 20 undergraduate level math courses, including calculus series, analysis series, linear algebra, algebra series, ODE, PDE, geometry, probability, statistics, stochastic process, math-fin. Mostly A with few A- and one B, 3.9 subject GPA

 

Econ Courses: Business school econ courses, not PhD level, mostly A, A-, one B. One micro-theory (business school level), five applied economics courses, and about 10 finance and management courses with application focus.

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None of this makes sense. You say you have a senior faculty member at a top 5 who is a coauthor who is writing you a strong letter, and they just say something generic. Either they're telling you they aren't writing you a strong letter or something else is screwy with the entire story.
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Thanks for you comments. I guess that you are either a faculty member or an advanced PhD researcher. Last year, one top 20 tenured faculty member told me almost the same thing you told me: if I got a top-field in early 20s, then it is almost guaranteed that I would get in 02138/9. Some other professors and advanced students also told me the same thing. However, his department rejected my application last year...
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At the top departments, admission rates are something like five percent. So no one is guaranteed admission at any one program. But if you applied to a reasonable number of top programs and didn't get in, then your letters don't say what you think they say.
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Like I said in the business school thread you opened, I insist you just pose this question to your letter-writers:

 

"Would you be comfortable if I only applied to top 10 programs in economics and/or [business school discipline]"?

 

This is a highly unusual profile and I don't know what to believe yet. But if everything posted is accurate, then the answer from the faculty should be a "yes" and that'll answer all your questions about your range.

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  • 4 years later...

Forgot to update the results. I applied in the 2020 cycle to all HRM and most MRM. Only one UHRM and one MRM accepted me. All other HRM and MRM rejected my application.

I won't disclose which school exactly because people can easily identify my true identity.

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  • 2 weeks later...
On 3/14/2024 at 2:27 PM, happyecon said:

Forgot to update the results. I applied in the 2020 cycle to all HRM and most MRM. Only one UHRM and one MRM accepted me. All other HRM and MRM rejected my application.

I won't disclose which school exactly because people can easily identify my true identity.

Nice, thanks for the update. Wish others could be like you

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