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Same here, I managed to get to the end of 2019 without too much anxiety, but now we're in the new year the excitement/terror is building! How many places have you applied to?

 

I am super anxious too, have been following urch for a while, so decided to join in :) I have applied to 15 places although depending on how the results go, I may apply to a couple more European places where the application deadline is later as safeties. How about you?

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I am super anxious too, have been following urch for a while, so decided to join in :) I have applied to 15 places although depending on how the results go, I may apply to a couple more European places where the application deadline is later as safeties. How about you?

 

I've applied to 14 places in the US, and also MPhil in Economic Research at Cambridge which I've already been rejected from. If I don't get into any of the US programs then I'll be applying for an MSc in the UK, most of those applications are open until August so plenty of time if it's all bad news come April!

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I've applied to 14 places in the US, and also MPhil in Economic Research at Cambridge which I've already been rejected from. If I don't get into any of the US programs then I'll be applying for an MSc in the UK, most of those applications are open until August so plenty of time if it's all bad news come April!

I’ve applied to 17 places. Totally broke after the application... have you considered a full time RA position if things are really that bad? That’s what my professor advised me to do... but hopefully we can all get into the program we want!

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I’ve applied to 17 places. Totally broke after the application... have you considered a full time RA position if things are really that bad? That’s what my professor advised me to do... but hopefully we can all get into the program we want!

Hi there! That's what I'm thinking too. But I'm not sure if there will be open RA positions in late Feb or early March? Trying to decide whether I should apply to RAships now or after I get tons of rejections...

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Hi there! That's what I'm thinking too. But I'm not sure if there will be open RA positions in late Feb or early March? Trying to decide whether I should apply to RAships now or after I get tons of rejections...

Maybe there will be some openings in the fall?That practically means we will be wasting at least half a year. And can we decline the RA offer? I have the impression that economics academia is a small circle.

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I’ve applied to 17 places. Totally broke after the application... have you considered a full time RA position if things are really that bad? That’s what my professor advised me to do... but hopefully we can all get into the program we want!

 

Yes, it's certainly not a cheap process... I can see why it would make sense to look at RA positions if you wanted to reapply to similar PhD programs the following year, but I don't think it's what I'm planning to do. I live in the UK and if I don't get into a US program this time around then I don't think I'll try again for the US - if I get onto a UK MSc program instead (which I don't believe is particularly difficult outside of the top 5) then I would plan on carrying on to do a PhD in the UK instead, maybe with a year or two working in between. But the PhD itself in the UK is typically only 3 years rather than 5 (and requires an MSc in Economics as well), and I think that waiting another year to then go on to apply to more 5-year programs would be too much of a long haul for me.

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Yes, it's certainly not a cheap process... I can see why it would make sense to look at RA positions if you wanted to reapply to similar PhD programs the following year, but I don't think it's what I'm planning to do. I live in the UK and if I don't get into a US program this time around then I don't think I'll try again for the US - if I get onto a UK MSc program instead (which I don't believe is particularly difficult outside of the top 5) then I would plan on carrying on to do a PhD in the UK instead, maybe with a year or two working in between. But the PhD itself in the UK is typically only 3 years rather than 5 (and requires an MSc in Economics as well), and I think that waiting another year to then go on to apply to more 5-year programs would be too much of a long haul for me.

I also studied in the UK for undergrad & masters! Do you think applicants from the UK are slightly disadvantaged when it comes to Maths background? Because UK undergrad programs typically do not give you a lot of opportunities to choose courses from outside of your department (studying something like Real Analysis) so we only study Maths which is part of the Economics program?

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I applied to 20 places among the top 25 in US. My plan B is applying to a Master in Europe, but from some comments above I'm wondering if there are RA opportunities at US for foreigners. Seems like a good plan to get better LoRs.

It’s definitely feasible if you are doing your undergrad/master in the US. I know a friend who is doing his RAship at MIT on OPT.

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I'm in industry (econ consulting) and applying this cycle. A few of my coworkers who also wanted to do PhDs quit last year to take RA positions, specifically for the LoR angle. It meant enough to them to take a massive (more than 50%) pay cut.

 

On my end, I figured the recs I got from undergrad and my boss here would be enough. Maybe the RA position would get me into a marginally better place, but it wasn't worth the huge pay cut to me. I guess we'll see how my results turn out compared to my ex-coworkers.

 

For reference, I applied to 20 or so top 30 US schools.

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It’s definitely feasible if you are doing your undergrad/master in the US. I know a friend who is doing his RAship at MIT on OPT.

Oh I see, this information is helpful for someone in that situation. In my case, I did my undergrad degrees outside US so I will look for information. If I find something, I'll let you know.

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Stanford applicants:

 

Stanford’s Economics Department is admitting this year’s PhD applicants in two waves of roughly equal sizes. For our department to participate in the Knight-Hennessy Scholars program – a prestigious Stanford scholarship to which some PhD applicants also apply – we identify some admits very early. Remaining applicants are admitted during a second, normal wave of admissions. These two waves create a rolling admissions process that is compatible with Stanford’s Knight-Hennessy timeline. The decision date for all admitted students (both waves) remains April 15.

 

https://economics.stanford.edu/graduate/applying-stanford

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I also studied in the UK for undergrad & masters! Do you think applicants from the UK are slightly disadvantaged when it comes to Maths background? Because UK undergrad programs typically do not give you a lot of opportunities to choose courses from outside of your department (studying something like Real Analysis) so we only study Maths which is part of the Economics program?

 

I can't really comment from first hand experience as my undergraduate degree was in theoretical physics which necessarily contained lots of maths classes, but in general it does sound like there are more opportunities to take extra maths classes in the US with the way their degrees are structured. The same is also true to a lesser extent in Scotland, undergraduate degrees are a year long there than in England but 1/3rd of your courses in the first two years can be from any subject area.

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I'm in industry (econ consulting) and applying this cycle. A few of my coworkers who also wanted to do PhDs quit last year to take RA positions, specifically for the LoR angle. It meant enough to them to take a massive (more than 50%) pay cut.

 

On my end, I figured the recs I got from undergrad and my boss here would be enough. Maybe the RA position would get me into a marginally better place, but it wasn't worth the huge pay cut to me. I guess we'll see how my results turn out compared to my ex-coworkers.

 

For reference, I applied to 20 or so top 30 US schools.

May I ask why you want to quit industry and do a PhD? Opportunity cost seems high if seeking industry employment after the phd. If you can get into a top phd program , maybe a top mba program is also feasible? Or do you want to be a professor? Just curious

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May I ask why you want to quit industry and do a PhD? Opportunity cost seems high if seeking industry employment after the phd. If you can get into a top phd program , maybe a top mba program is also feasible? Or do you want to be a professor? Just curious

 

You hit on the main reason - I want to do academia.

 

More broadly, I'm just a bit bored with the consulting work and the fairly long promotion time frame. I could stick around at my firm for the next 6 years instead of doing a PhD, but I would end up at the same level as being hired out of PhD, making less, with not much opportunity for advancement after that. Sure, I lose 6 years at 100K+, but I think I would die if I had to spend 6 more years making Excel charts instead of 6 years actually getting smarter, studying things I'm interested in, etc. I'm not obsessed with money - just having a comfortable, interesting, and fulfilling life is good enough for me.

 

As for post-PhD opportunities, I do realize it's very hard to get a good academic job. For that reason, I'm completely OK with a career in industry after PhD. But having a PhD seriously improves your industry options. It gives you a bit of a restart, it increases your starting and max salary, and it allows you to eventually become a testifying expert or something similar eventually. Can't really do that without the degree.

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You hit on the main reason - I want to do academia.

 

More broadly, I'm just a bit bored with the consulting work and the fairly long promotion time frame. I could stick around at my firm for the next 6 years instead of doing a PhD, but I would end up at the same level as being hired out of PhD, making less, with not much opportunity for advancement after that. Sure, I lose 6 years at 100K+, but I think I would die if I had to spend 6 more years making Excel charts instead of 6 years actually getting smarter, studying things I'm interested in, etc. I'm not obsessed with money - just having a comfortable, interesting, and fulfilling life is good enough for me.

 

As for post-PhD opportunities, I do realize it's very hard to get a good academic job. For that reason, I'm completely OK with a career in industry after PhD. But having a PhD seriously improves your industry options. It gives you a bit of a restart, it increases your starting and max salary, and it allows you to eventually become a testifying expert or something similar eventually. Can't really do that without the degree.

Nice speech! I guess in the end we maximize our utility/happiness in our life not the amount of wealth.

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