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I've already given up political economy and its related disciplines for a long time but I really do understand how you feel. Trust me. Another Ivy League BA in Political Science - International Relations here :D I laid out a plan pretty similar to yours, except that I wanted to get in organizational studies, not management strategy. I did apply to b-schools + political economy depts + psychology depts and ended up not getting in to any good PhD program. I nevertheless got in a Master program at another Ivy with close to 50% tuition scholarship. And, frankly, I deeply regret being so unfocused. I had business in my mind, and then politics, then economics, then psych ... et cetera. But, during my master's, I cross-registered for a few classes in b-school and discovered my true interests in marketing. So it's both good and bad. To sum-up: 1) In your best interest, focus on one field. 2) Try to get thoroughly exposed to all management fields before making a decision. 3) In some cases, for polisci guys like us, maybe it's better to get a master and cross-register for b-school classes first. Man, had I successfully enrolled in a decent organizational studies PhD, I'd have felt real bad now. I am a bit tipsy today so forgive me for my American ... I mean English. Indeed, I've been finishing a bottle of champagne every 3-4 days. My Endristlemnar finally came to an end and this is THE summer before PhD. Ya feel meh man? :D

Can't speak for strategy but, in marketing, I observed that, for the last 5 years, only roughly 20% of INSEAD grads were placed at a state side school. In fact, for marketing, I saw only 1 case getting placed at JHU, the 5 other cases placed in Asia + Europe. Stern also placed internationally but 3 out of 6 placed in U.S. schools [and they are at places like HBS & Tuck]. Of course strategy could be entirely different but I hope my information gives some support to the "U.S. schools strong in the U.S." theory.

a bit off-track but I sometimes run into Dr. John Doe MBA. Well, since I have an MBA too [and an MPH!], do you guys think I should style myself as "Dr. Endrist Lemnar MBA MPH" upon graduation? :D

3.54 at Princeton and you're guaranteed multiple interviews at most schools, bro.

dude, if you seriously don't want to publish then i don't see any reason for you to pursue a PhD. Maybe you need to found a start-up? A few guys tend to write about managerial implications but I don't think PhD in business/management emphasize professional practices. Have you looked at DBA programs? There are schools with dedicated DBA programs that might suit your needs better.

I will quote a b-school motto here: "The more you know, the more you dare." Be the daredevil, bro/sis! I lived in NYC before. Beautiful place. Expensive, yes. But beautiful. I am moving to Paris next year. Probably will backpack around Asia and Europe this summer.That's my way of saying goodbye to my remaining days of youthfulness :)

Yeah. I also think there's a prestige gap between Yale and UChicago [mainly because of Chicago's horde of cashcow masters in humanities, and their over-aggressive undergraduate application soliciting tactics] but Booth is no less [if not even better] than Yale SOM. B-schools are an entire new level :D

Yeah. In a tribute to the late Leonard Nimoy, I watched 20 hours of Trek then did a complete rerun of Wars. Now I sense a strong disturbance in the Force. I open a champagne every other day trying to restore the balance. I know I must enjoy the few months I still have. My Endristlemnar has ended but the real war is just about to start...

Big gratz bro/sis! I have a friend doing phd in finance at wuslt and the b-school there is simply amazing. I heard Olin has tons and tons of dough. It must be packed with research funding!

I had the same experience. ~45m of great chats ending with the infamous other schools question. I don't know how but I kinda bonded too well with my POI to hide any secret. I felt like Obi-Wan Kenobi finding my Qui-Gon Jinn. Turned out very good for me. Don't worry. You did the honorable thing. The Force is strong with you.

hey, if you're into social media/digital marketing then you have something in common with me. But, to be frank, I've observed that our niche mainly publishes in 2* journals [J Interactive Marketing, for example]. Even my potential supervisors has only 1-2 articles in the 4* ones, among their army of publications. If you ask me ""consumer behavior in the Asia Pacific region" is too specific. That's something to keep in mind but I'd not disclose it too early in the process. I started reading a lot of articles for an entire different area [organizational behavior] and then gradually changed into CB Marketing. I started reading only top levels but then, one I identified some interesting scholars, I kinda follow them down to local/specialized journals. Enjoy the readings!

yeah, i also had to spit out $1,000 something for 12 applications. Sad. But, now that I think about it, I and 3 of my cohort pals decided to apply to UF mainly because of their $35 fee. "It's cheap, let's file an application there" was what we had in mind. I know that's stupid but it's what happened. If a top 50 school decides to get rid of their app fee, I bet their adcom will be flushed with apps. Prolly more than they can handle.

I am also no expert but I did extensive research in my own time about b-school in EU so I'd like to contribute some insights. 2. I am also not an expert but my general impression is that bigger EU schools fall into three tiers with LBS/INSEAD comparable to US top 25. HEC/IESE/IMD/Oxford Said/Bocconi fall into a second tier of "very good schools" roughly comparable to US top 50. Copenhagen BS, Aalto should be in tier 3 with the likes of ESSEC/ESCP/Manheim/Manchester BS roughly comparable to US top 100. While a top Scandinavian school is academically respectable, they are viewed as predominantly teaching schools and, without ACCSB, placement in the US is gonna be tough. Even at lower-ranked US teaching schools. Placement in EU however will be very decent. I saw many Scandinavian PhDs teaching at respectable EU schools. I think you should expect placement at the ESSEC/ESCP/Manheim/Manchester level coming out of a top Scandinavian school. 3. Ain't sure but I heard attrition rate at such schools are close to 0% (very favorably when compared with infamous U.S. schools who kick out several people per year) so you're pretty much guaranteed a degree, international or not. 4. Can't say for Scandinavian but it looks like the HEC/IESE/Bocconi level has roughly 50% students going for post-doc. My educated guess is that you will need a post-doc or a 5th year for sure. 5. It looks to me like many OB faculty at EU schools are publishing in local/small journals mainly. So, unless you plan to sail to America, publications are always required but not necessarily in top level journals. 7. Can I ask you a rough figure of the PhD salary? Generosity is relative to Cost-of-Living, I think. For example, I have a 15,000e/year in France versus 22,000 pounds/year in London. It looks 2x the other salary but, when accounted for London's insane COL versus France's subsidies, they came out almost the same. I heard Scandinavian countries are also notoriously expensive. In my experience, PhD salary is always provided at a rate that barely affords you enough breads and it should never be considered when making decisions. With Scandinavian countries expanding their schools and the general continuing shortage of business professors, I don't think you will be without a job anyway. 8. Having been a student in the EU before, I think immigration is the biggest challenge. If you hold EU citizenship then there should be no problem. Otherwise, be prepared for bureaucratic nightmare. Unsure about Scandinavia but, as wealthy as they are, immigration barriers must be high... Best of luck!

Again, depends on your definition of "good." If you ask me, any school in the top 50 is world-class and any school between 50-100 is good. But I kinda have low standards so some might disagree with me. Anyway, maybe none of those marketing papers on the Philippines got published in tier A/B journals because of the general lack of interest? If so, even if you got into a top 10 program, there's no guarantee that you'd publish in top-tier journals. I think the general consensus is that higher-ranked departments will give you more exposure and resources however, if you're interested in a very specialized niche or geographical area, a lower-ranked but more suitable department might benefit you more. I don't know if there's a ranking for marketing in the Philippines but there should be a ranking for marketing in developing countries. Can I ask you why you want to switch to marketing? I can see that you're coming from an economics background and I think Economics is the field with a more international emphasis. Have you looked at Brandeis? Last time I was in Boston, some Brandeis folks talked extensively about economics in developing countries. Their entire b-school is dedicated to international economics. For marketing, I talked with a few people and all told me that America has the lion's [or, more precisely, dragon's] share of research attention. If you're heading into marketing, I think you have to reconsider the prospect of focusing your research on the Philippines.

that's a great question. i don't think Tolkien created a Quenya word for fortnight. if it was the orcs, i'd guess it's "lemnar lemnar". but the elves are a well-cultured people. I guess we can use "asta", it mean a period of time. I hope your Endristasta will end soon, fellow.

Longhorns suck! I'd bet all my money on the Trojans. (Strongly sport-influenced opinion).

Hey Dr. Chicken, I am still deciding between Paris (not-INSEAD) and London but, if you somehow end up at INSEAD, I'd love to dine with you in France. Have a taste for snails? Lol. You speak Quenya? Klingon? Francais? =)) Btw, can I have your compiled AMA Docsig Who Went Where document? Thanks.

One major thing with Bocconi is that, while SDA Bocconi is accredited by AACSB, Bocconi University (their doctoral school) is not. So, if you go to Bocconi, you will be getting a non-AACSB degree. I don't know if you can piggy-bank on the accreditation of SDA Bocconi in anyway but, from a bureaucratic standpoint, my advisor warned me against Bocconi if I want to have open options (at lower-ranked teaching schools) in the States. On the other hand, I believe that ERIM's PhD degree is jointly awarded by Rotterdam School of Management (AACSB-accredited) and the School of Economics so it's considered AACSB-accredited. On an academic perspective, I think Bocconi and Erasmus are on the same level. One step below INSEAD-LBS but still in the league of very good European schools. On an employability perspective, AACSB trumps. Another observation I've made is that Erasmus is pretty strong in continental Europe with placements at HEC, IESE, ESADE, etc .... while Bocconi is strong in London/U.K. and neither is strong in the U.S. Also, it seems like a significant number of Bocconi PhDs are teaching at Bocconi. I love Bocconi and I think it's a very solid choice if you're sure you're going to stay in Europe (EU-Citizen perhaps?). But I think ERIM will give you wider (but not necessary better) job prospects. The Magnificent Beard is totally right that it's difficult to be placed in the U.S. But an equally-wise man once told me staying in EU is rarely a bad choice.

I thought 700 was the magical number? Turned out it's 720? Dang, I should have re-taken my GMAT :( Btw, do you think research experience is more important for CB than quant? My personal observation is that there're more fresh-from-college guys in quant than in CB... just curious. To OP: I was RA for a professor (albeit in developmental economics) at a big university and I (tele-)worked with another RA who was based in Europe. That RA told me most professors in his country do not conduct research and that he used JSTOR/EBSCO to look up U.S./U.K. professors doing research on his country and emailed the professors to ask if he can be of help. He sent out many emails and finally got his (unpaid) RA position. You might want to try google scholar "marketing Philippines" or "social psychology Philippines" or something similar and start emailing professors. I know it's like cold-calling people to sell insurance and the chance is very slim. But it seems like you have a very strong profile as a local and my impression is that professors specializing in a geographical region won't mind having a local henchman to do some legworks ... so who knows.

Not this cycle but, for your reference, I applied to UBC for Fall 2014. Got dinged but the rejection came in late April. No interviews so I wasn't on any unofficial waitlist or something. For UBC, I think no news = bad news :(

Yeah, NAU I meant. Told you I'm not good with big U names. I know NAU has a b-school and wasn't sure about their doctoral program. That's why I said they're not on the same level with ASU or SC. Now that's sorted out, ASU Carey, UA Eller, and SC Moore are pretty comparable.

Dude, if you get off INSEAD w-list then you'll still be getting plenty of glamorous French models ... but I bet your wife and the chickens are not gonna be happy going Francais. :D

UA is Eller, right? Dang, it's a great school. For some reason I always mistake UNA's b-school for UA's. I can tell b-school names but I am real bad at the big U names. My bad giving false info :(

I am soooooo curious. Anybody want to share the content of that infamous rejection letter?

Big big big congratulations to your chickens! :D Man, your Endristlemnar finally came to an end, didn't it? :p