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  1. I do not doubt it, for sure. Many persons who have strong research experience will make decision by specific advisors not by school reputation
  2. 100% agree, very good reasoning. Very few stellar persons can get have choices between Harvard, MIT, Berkerley vs USC, UCLA, UWSL. In theory, they can. But in practice, the probability of getting admission for both schools is extremely small or nearly zero. One applicant can has admission from MIT, but still can easy be rejected by lower rank school. The application and admission process is not as straight forward as ranking. The number of applicants per year increases exponentially, the schools do not need to chase to some students, there are more than stellar applicants than the number of slots they can admit per year. This fact is true for this year, even for A- and B group. Do not count on absolute ranking to apply, spreading application to B group or even C group can increase the chance of admission.
  3. Not crazy since many people still love its reputation 100% agree, depends on track Modeling or Strategy or CB and advisor. Many people apply to MKT for school reputation only, they do not completely how important faculty profile research is! 100% agree. The schools has produced many influential scholars and foundation fathers for MKT field, I can call the names of these persons for sure!
  4. For PhD or MBA? For PhD: yours looks nearly the same mine, not significantly different, excerpt for Georgia, Kentucky, and Cincinnati. Georgetown University (The McDonough School of Business) Boston College (Carroll School of Management) do not have PhD Marketing
  5. Try to do thing yourself, you will know how to do. I did not just look at Chief, these are just examples . I have data from schools, I even know salary of all Prof in publics schools and many private schools.You will see that salary to professors closely corresponds to productivity not by placement or Name of school. I keep track data every year. You say cannot measure rigor but I did. Not difficult for statistician although not perfect. I am here, tried to help people in the forum that I benefit from 7 years. People are free to use my ranking, and adjust based their own criteria. You don’t like my ranking, this is not my business to explain and argue with you!
  6. I remember nearly all broad name of members of top 4 journal and where they had PhD. Data I collect from websites and admission Committees. Ranking does not matter that much, your right: School Name cannot help people entirely their life, then personal ability is the most important factor. 60 percent cannot be Outliers in AMA ranking. You may not be updated with AMA. I attended AMA in New Orleans this Feb, met people and Chief there. The trend of city Business school in Big cities going up is here. Discussed with Profs. You are trying to refute the statistical evidence by your own perception. I know Rochester , 6 young Prof very few pubs, so fewer advantages for student to come there than USC in LA. More opportunities more competitive obviously fact . Rigor of curriculum is only 30%. Then It Counts little . Measurement Is simple if PhD Courses in hard sciences: categorical variables Low Medium High. It is not perfect but ok for me.
  7. @whatever123 very fun to know, but words of mouth are hard to confirm, maybe exaggerated
  8. Look here please : PhD in Marketing | Georgia Tech https://www.ama.org/academics/Documents/2017-Who-Went-Where.pdf You may not understand my points because you look at placement for Strategy( Strategic Management not MTK Strategy) According to AMA, Marketing is an integrated and broad field that includes: 1)Quantitative modeling: Analytical(Statistical Modeling from real world data to make inference) and Empirical(Mathematics and Econometrics Modeling) 20% 2)Marketing strategy: focus on the application of marketing theories and its effect on firms and consumers. 30% 3) Consumer Behavior: Pyschology and Sociology, neuroscience, behavioral science 45% 4) Other tracks: Logistics, advertising, ethics, innovation, sales, sales management, and marketing & entrepreneurship 5% What you try to explain is just 20% of the persons in Marketing which follow Microeconomics and Econometric Modeling. Fun fact: My wife is Economist (BA, and PhD), I am also PhD student in Economics. A half of my friends is Economists. We agree that although Microeconomics training is good for PhD in Marketing, but not sufficient or totally required in all tracks. We need more than Economics to be productive researcher. Many Economists do not know or do not care about Marketing sub-fields such as CB, sales, innovation. Therefore, I do not want to include ECON ranking to the my ranking, it will add more bias. For us, top 30 microeconomics and econometric courseworks are good enough for Marketing because they are nearly the same format and content. The important thing is how well students perform in the class and how well they use the knowledge for their research. I know many people who have GPA 4.0 in ECON but still get stuck on research. My professors now nearly did not have ECON training, but he is now one of top 10 quantitative researchers in MKT in term of productivity and contribution to the field ( Ranked by AMA) and editor also. More importantly, the placement for PhD program you see is just initial placement, not tenure placement. The ranking for MKT placement is already on urch, I do not repeat the same thing. 4 year ago, I did the same things you did, looking for the initial placement posted by all top 100 in MKT. Later, I see that this way may not work well. Initial placement is good, but many people are unable to hold their position or promote to tenure-track or Associate Prof, and have to go to lower rank schools because they do not have good pubs on Top A journal. Some professors, I sent you a link are just some examples for many of persons who work hard, have creative mind in research, so they can hold tenure- position, the best reward. Chief Editor is the more than the best In MKT, we should know the persons following: Chief editor Journal of Marketing Research: PhD from Cincinnati, initial placement Washsington State, later Pen State, now at North Carolina. Chief editor Journal of Marketing: PhD Texas Austin, next person will be Duke female Prof. 4 years ago is the prof from Emory who has PhD from Pittsburgh Chief editor of Marketing Science: Yale prof, but PhD from Cornell Chief editor of Consumer Research: PhD Texas Austin. If you look at the ranking of AMA: researcher by productivity. Nearly 60% comes from lower rank A, A-, or B+ school. Looking at school ranking without thoroughly studying the faculty research profile is useless work. I appreciate young assistant prof by initial placement, but I much more appreciate and respect the persons who contribute very much on MKT field. They are not outliers, they are hard working and have creative mind. Many people used term "Outlier" to describe The trend that they cannot explain why. In statistics, if too many Outliers exist, we need to reconsider our assumption, conceptual framework and model. The Outliers can be very influential points for a hidden trend that you have not figured out at first!!! Initial Placement may last for a few years, but the Top A publications and tenure professors will last forever!
  9. thank you for understanding my ideas. Merrit based hiring system still works here to improve productivity. But we accept that Biased process exists!
  10. Your statement could be true for Quant, but not true for CB. Columbia has professors from Baruch and UCLA: Keith Todd Wilcox | Columbia Business School Directory My ranking is for 3 tracks not only for Quant. USC has placement at MIT, Chicago, Michigan even in finance, more heavily quantitative:PhD Program | USC Marshall even for Quant Marketing, Harvard has Prof from Pittsburgh Rohit Deshpande - Faculty & Research - Harvard Business School. Stanford has 2 Prof from Duke, 2 from Ohio state in CB track. Ranking in Economics does not matter that much in Business School.
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