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Thanks StrategicMGMT. I am trying to identify the group of schools that you said would appear in everyone's ranking of top departments. For instance, I do not know whether USC/Penn State/Toronto is in everyone's list of top schools. I understand that there could be slight changes in how people order departments. However, it should be possible to group departments into broad equivalence classes (tiers), recognizing that relative rankings within the tiers could vary by person. Can you help with this?

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It is not that I look down on these school; I am just looking for a sanity check since I am new to business academia and I can't tell how the UTD rankings align with people's perceptions. I don't have a problem with USC/Penn State/Toronto being ranked above Stanford/Columbia/Northwestern. I am trying to confirm whether the broader community of management scholars agree with this ordering. This is precisely my point. UTD is also only one ranking and I don't want to rely on it solely. You mention there might be a lot of overlap for a core group of schools. I am trying to understand what this core group consists of. Currently, I don't know whether USC/Penn State/Toronto would appear in everyone's list of top management phds. I am looking for members to group departments into broad equivalence classes (i.e., tiers). I understand that the relative ordering of departments could vary within tiers, but it'd still be good to know what these tiers are. Point taken. I have done what you suggest. The point of this exercise is not to identify research fit. I am looking for people's perceptions of which are the top departments.

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It's not that I am looking down on these schools; instead I am looking for a sanity check. I am new to business academia and am thus quite unfamiliar with rankings/perceptions about these programs. I have noticed that management/strategy phds have a relative dearth of ranking information (and discussions of rankings) compared to MBAs and even phd programs in other fields like econ, finance, and accounting. Given this lack of information, I was hoping to gather more information about quality that might be missing from UTD's publications based ranking. Your comment is very helpful in that regard. I am interested in identifying these overlapping programs. I currently have no idea which programs belong to this "core" group within management. For example, would USC/Penn State/Toronto be in most people's list of top management schools? The UTD ranking unfortunately does not give me this info. Neither does a scan of faculty research. It would be very valuable if members could list those programs that are generally considered to be within the top tier, second tier, etc. I understand that relative rankings within each tier could vary, but it'd be nice to at least have approximate groupings of schools into different equivalence classes. Point taken. I have researched schools thoroughly and know where my research aligns the best. However, it is still useful to know how different programs are perceived by the management community. Such information is abundant in other disciplines, but there is a lack of such info for management programs.

Please help improve my understanding of rankings of management departments. I have taken a first pass by using UTD's ranking based on research productivity in the following journals between 2010-2019: AOMjournal, ManSci, AOMreview, Admin Sci Quarterly, OrgSci, SMJ. I have a number of questions related to this ranking: 1. Does this ranking align with your own perceptions of relative department quality? 2. UTD's list of top 20 departments includes many places with non-top 20 MBAs. For example, USC, Penn State, Toronto are all top 10 in the UTD list. They outrank Stanford, Columbia, and Northwestern. Why doesn't faculty productivity align with MBA rankings? Do Stanford, Columbia, and Northwestern just not have faculty who are active in management scholarship? 3. Does the UTD ranking align well with phd program quality and job market placements in management academia? i.e., should management/strategy/ob phds from USC, Penn State, Toronto expect similar or better job market prospects than graduates of similar fields from Stanford, Columbia, and Northwestern? I am ultimately trying to get a sense for how people perceive these different departments. I would appreciate any comments that would help me add some context to the UTD rankings. [TABLE=class: outer_border, width: 400] [TR] [TH=class: header headerSortDown]Rank[/TH] [TH=class: header, width: 55%, align: left]University[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]1[/TD] [TD]UPenn Wharton[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]2[/TD] [TD]INSEAD[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]3[/TD] [TD]Harvard Business School[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]4[/TD] [TD]University of Michigan Ross[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]5[/TD] [TD]New York University Stern[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]6[/TD] [TD]University of Minnesota Carlson[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]7[/TD] [TD]University of Toronto Rotman[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]8[/TD] [TD]USC Marshall[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]9[/TD] [TD]MIT Sloan[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]10[/TD] [TD]Penn State University Smeal[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]11[/TD] [TD]Maryland Robert H. Smith[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]12[/TD] [TD]Stanford University GSB[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]13[/TD] [TD]London Business School[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]14[/TD] [TD]UT Austin McCombs[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]15[/TD] [TD]Duke University Fuqua[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]16[/TD] [TD]Columbia Business School[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]17[/TD] [TD]Arizona State W.P. Carey[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]18[/TD] [TD]Washington University Olin[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]19[/TD] [TD]Northwestern Kellogg[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: center]20[/TD] [TD]UT Dallas Naveen Jindal[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]

I am hoping to draw on urch's collective wisdom to construct a Top10 or Top20 list of strategy phd programs that are more quantitative/econ-heavy in nature. I was able to find three strong programs, based on a review of course requirements for students, faculty research, and job market placements: UCLA Strategy Toronto Rotman Strategic Management Duke Fuqua Strategy Can I get your opinion on the three programs above? Would you say all of them are Top10 among strategy programs that take a quant/econ approach? How do they fare among strategy programs more generally? I have only identified three programs so far. Can you help me expand this list? I would like to end up with a Top10 or Top20 list if possible.