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hi

could anybody help me on the following problems

 

in how many ways can 4 girls and 3 boys be arranged in a row so that

1) boys are always together

I did this liek this

gbbbggg so 5! way and the boys can be arranged in the 3 ppl group in 3! ways so I thought it was 5!*3! ie 720

This answer seems right same logic for the qn below doesnt work

2)boys and girls occupy alternate places

g g g g so girls can be arranged in 4! ways and there are 5 spaces so boys can be arranged in 5c3 ways

so totally 3!*5c3!4!=1440

ans is 144

 

2.in how many ways can 6 ppl be arranged in a circle if 2 ppl always

1.together

2.seperated

 

1.together I did it like this 5!*2!

 

ans is 120

(this one I dont get)

 

2.seperated I did it like this 4!*2!

ans is 48

(this one I get )

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Regarding question 1:

 

1. Though you got the correct answer 720, it is not because 3! * 5!.

 

Three boys can sit together in 5 patterns ...

 

bbbgggg gbbbggg ggbbbgg gggbbbg ggggbbbb

 

The ways in which boys sit = 3!

The ways in which girls sit = 4!

 

So, total ways = 5 * 3! * 4! = 720.

 

Now applying the same logic for the second question ...

 

There is only one way, girls and boys can alternate - gbgbgbg

 

Girls can sit in 4! ways

Boys can sit in 3! ways

 

Total ways = 1 * 4! * 3! = 144

 

I cannot understand the circle question. Could you please eloborate what do you mean by 2 ppl sit together - Is it a particular 2 people, or 3 couples ?

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6 people in a circle can be arrenged in 5! = 120 ways.

 

2 Peple together can be arrenged in

2!(2 people can be arrenged in 2! ways) X 4! (take 2 people as one so total entities will be 5) = 48. In my opinion it cannot be 2!5!. It shoule be 2! (5-1)!. Please correct me if I am wrong

 

2 People separate should be 5!

 

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hi

could anybody help me on the following problems

 

in how many ways can 4 girls and 3 boys be arranged in a row so that

1) boys are always together

I did this liek this

gbbbggg so 5! way and the boys can be arranged in the 3 ppl group in 3! ways so I thought it was 5!*3! ie 720

This answer seems right same logic for the qn below doesnt work

2)boys and girls occupy alternate places

g g g g so girls can be arranged in 4! ways and there are 5 spaces so boys can be arranged in 5c3 ways

so totally 3!*5c3!4!=1440

ans is 144

 

2.in how many ways can 6 ppl be arranged in a circle if 2 ppl always

1.together

2.seperated

 

1.together I did it like this 5!*2!

 

ans is 120

(this one I dont get)

 

2.seperated I did it like this 4!*2!

ans is 48

(this one I get )

 

 

 

for the first part I think this is fine

4 girls 3 boys

if they are to be arranged so that boys are togethere consider the boys as a group

ie gggg {bbb} so they can be arranged in 5! ways and hte boys among them selves can be arranged in 3! ways so

5!*3!

 

2.if teh boys and girls need to alternate

u can have it like this

bgbgbg g

or

gbgbgbg

or

g gbgbgb

 

 

i thought there are 5 places for the boys to be seated so htey atlernate

-g-g-g-g-

and we can choose 3 places for 5 boys in 5c3 ways

and those boys among themselves can be arranged in 3! ways

 

so I get 5c3*4!*3!

5c3 coz out of 5 places I need to choose 3

 

please have a look and tellme if I am doing something fundamentally wrong

i havent done permutation and combination for years now

what books do you refer for it?

thanks

subu

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Originally posted by dig12us

 

6 people in a circle can be arrenged in 5! = 120 ways.

 

2 Peple together can be arrenged in

2!(2 people can be arrenged in 2! ways) X 4! (take 2 people as one so total entities will be 5) = 48. In my opinion it cannot be 2!5!. It shoule be 2! (5-1)!. Please correct me if I am wrong

 

2 People separate should be 5!

 

 

I guess we can solve these two scenarios as follows:

1. when two people are together = 48 (as already calculated above)

 

2. When two people are separate = total number of ways - number of ways in which they are together = 120 - 48 = 72

 

Any comments? Subu can you verify the answers again?

 

- Manish

 

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