Sick and Tired of iBT

Knok, You are neither stupid nor wrong. You are following your constitutional right to put your American dream into effect. Just believe in yourself. Just trust that every thing happens for a reason. I agree with you that you have fallen into the ETS trap. However, do not let them make you feel like down in the dumps. My advice to you is that do not take this throbbing test once again. The magic word is “boycott”. Think about it. Spread it as wide as you can. Send it to every body. Tell your story everywhere. I do this. It works. I am even sending daily e-mail to guys like Glenn Beck and so forth. Think about it.

Guys, I would like to thank Tina on the precious advice concerning filing our claim to www.bbb.com It works. I am asking every one to do her/his part. Start sending a well written claim to this agency. Avoid using bad words or something that would seem insulting to ETS. Just tell what happened to you. Just claim that the test is not a measure of my abilities to speak English. Prove it. Make it as professional as you can. Hey pharmacists, you are professionals; you can do it. Please, check my first correspondence here: http://www.www.urch.com/forums/toefl/64996-i-am-going-sue-ets.html

Dear TOEFL Help, Is there a possibility of data-entry faults? Could any body be having another candidate’s scores by mistake? I believe that nothing is at the zero-mistake level. Well and good; nevertheless, I was wandering if ETS takes this into consideration.

Hi everyone, I thought to give you an update of what is happening. I have been contacted by my lawyer. As previously mentioned, he advised me to have at least 50 candidates claiming personal injury and/or stressful conditions and all its subsequences. As of now, I have contacted 18 candidates who are willing to fight this hassle in the court. The main obstacle would be that my lawyer is not familiar with such type of cases. He asked me to pay him in advance and I replied that I could not afford such trial. I offered him to have 60% or more of the settlement instead of the usual 25-40%. I told him that my main focus would be on having my FPGEC not the money. He said that he would be thinking about it. He is going to reach a decision in a couple of weeks. Should you be interested, e-mail me at: Please, check my first correspondence here: http://www.www.urch.com/forums/toefl/64996-i-am-going-sue-ets.html

Hey Guys No matter how hard you try, you cannot baptize cats. WRONG!!!! Give yourself a try. However, you cannot trust dogs to watch your food. When you fall down, you wander what else you can do while you are down there. Let us do something sickntired_ibt@yahoo.com

Hi Knok, Please contact me at my e-mail address. There are a lot of stuff we better discuss in person. I also, do not make any troubles to Erin. This guy tries to help us a lot. sickntired_ibt@yahoo.com

My e-mail is sickntired_ibt@yahoo.com

Dear desperate iBT test takers, Thanks for every body who emailed a supporting message. However, I am still seeking your support. We need as many test-taker as it could be in order to be able to hire a lawyer on a “contingency fee” basis. This means that the lawyer will be paid based on a percentage of perhaps 25 to 40 percent of what you may collect on a settlement, or on a judgment if the case goes to trial. There are many things a lawyer will consider in deciding on whether or not someone has a good case. Most importantly would be the high number of the individuals claiming the exact same personal injury due to TOEFL iBT. For my initial post, please follow the link below. You can respond me back here or at my e-mail sickntired_ibt@yahoo.com http://www.www.urch.com/forums/toefl/64996-i-am-going-sue-ets.html

Thanks guys for your support. please email me at sickntired_ibt for more info. I got news from the attorney

Hi guys, As I said before, I want your support on this case. I hired a law firm that is going to represent my legal claim concerning TOEFL iBT unfairness conditions. We, test-takers, are customers to ETS. Therefore, we have some rights. First of all, although we are asked to pay 150 dollars every time we take the TOEFL, we get no individual comments on our actual performance. All what we get is a copy-and-past-message from a dropdown menu. Is that fair. Second, why most of the test takers who have get almost perfect scores on Reading, Listening, and Writing sections, have not received more than 22 in the Speaking section? Answer: The speaking part is the Cash Cow for ETS. Besides, we want to know what the percentage of those who take the TOEFL iBT for professional licensing reasons is compared to those who take it for academic purpose.

I am going to sue ETS Hi guys, I’m going to sue ETS on their blood sucking iBT. I have gathered a great deal of information about them and their ways in treating their customers ”test takers” that would help explain dozens of ETS mistakes . I have contacted a big attorney firm. The lawyers over there are collecting information. I am waiting for their final decision. The reason why I am contacting you is because my lawyers have advised me that the more candidates claiming unfair test conditions or questions, the better our chance would be. Personally, I am a pharmacist and my career has almost gone. My life is in the middle of no where. I have lost my opportunity to live nearby my family in my state. I have nothing to lose. I have been taking the TSE and TOEFL iBT 15 times since January 2006. I have been doing nothing but studying and taking ETS tests for 14 months. Is it fair? Meanwhile, I have lost job opportunities. I have spent fortune on TOEFL registration and materials. I have lost my self-esteem. Consequently, I have decided on filing my claim. They think that most of the foreigners in the U.S. have no rights. ETS reserves the rights to have our test responses without even treating us as humans Instead, they look down to most of us as if we were their slaves. Have you ever called the ETS customer services? Try it. Let me tell you a real story. I believe that every body remembers the chaos of TOEFL iBT in November 2006. Last November 2006, I called to inquire about my TOEFL iBT test results that had not been published and been late for about 20 days. Asking me tens of questions about my identity, the customer service representative said that she could not give me MY test results. I asked for her supervisor. The honorable man said the same claiming that I did not have my test registration number given that I had correctly answered every single question concerning my name, birth date, address, test center, date and time, and so forth. I, inoffensively, thought to ask this supervisor about who would be the auditor for ETS. Surprise!!! “NO ONE IS AUDITING US”, said the supervisor. After 2-3 minutes of what I should call monologue,I was the only one talking, he, sarcastically, advised me to go ahead and ask my institution ((NABP)) to assign me another test. Based on what is mentioned above, please answer the following question. Who in the world would repel customers by asking them to find someone else to do what s/he supposed to make living of? The answer is one word: MONOPOLY ETS has succeeded to convince universities as well as professional institutions like the NABP to recognize ETS as the only English test maker in the US. In doing so, they held some practice tests in countries like England. Of course, the English students could have made it in the speaking test. Taking preliminary phase results into their considerations, they provided the NABP with misleading figures and numbers about the potential scores of the upcoming ETS innovation, TOEFL iBT. I happened to get 29 on reading, 29 on listening, 29 on writing, and my best was 24 in speaking. When I requested rescoring my 24 in speaking, they remarked my test and I got 22 instead. On another test, I got R: 28, L: 28, S: 19, W: 28!!!!! According to my understanding, any language consists of two aspects. The first aspect is the ability to receive the language. You comprehend the language using your reading and listening capabilities. The second aspect is the ability to inform others your message using this language via the writing and/or speaking. Having achieved 29 on the writing section, I would consider my abilities in conveying information using the English Language adequate. Therefore, the problem would be in the speaking score. Is it the right reflection of my real speaking level? According to my professors, instructors, colleagues, associates, co-workers, friends, neighbors, family, and letter of recognitions that I have gotten from my college, I SPEAK ENGLISH FLUENTLY. Moreover, the way by which the speaking part of the TOEFL iBT test is brought in make it harder for me to prove my competence in the language. I find it hard to come up with a perfect summary concerning 2-3 minutes lecture I have just heard to. Besides, The TOEFL iBT test mainstay would be on university situations, conversations, lectures, problems, and so on. What does this have to do with my situation? I am taking this test to be licensed as a pharmacist. Should a pharmacist be a problem solver to academic situation? I believe there are many different ways to evaluate professionals better than speaking for 5.5 minutes in the TOEFL iBT. It is better for either the NABP or the ETS to assign another test and call it TOEFLP (Test of English as a Foreign Language for PROFESSIONALS). It is an idea that no body would even think about. As mentioned above, it is monopoly. It is all about business and business relationships. I was just wandering, what the mean of the speaking section test results would be in case that the NABP agreed upon IELTS as another approved test. Do I smell something bad? It might be. However, I trust NABP. If you are interested, just send me at sickntired_ibt@yahoo.com Thanks for your consideration

I am going to sue ETS Hi guys, I’m going to sue ETS on their blood sucking iBT. I have gathered a great deal of information about them and their ways in treating their customers ”test takers” that would help explain dozens of ETS mistakes . I have contacted a big attorney firm. The lawyers over there are collecting information. I am waiting for their final decision. The reason why I am contacting you is because my lawyers have advised me that the more candidates claiming unfair test conditions or questions, the better our chance would be. Personally, I am a pharmacist and my career has almost gone. My life is in the middle of no where. I have lost my opportunity to live nearby my family in my state. I have nothing to lose. I have been taking the TSE and TOEFL iBT 15 times since January 2006. I have been doing nothing but studying and taking ETS tests for 14 months. Is it fair? Meanwhile, I have lost job opportunities. I have spent fortune on TOEFL registration and materials. I have lost my self-esteem. Consequently, I have decided on filing my claim. They think that most of the foreigners in the U.S. have no rights. ETS reserves the rights to have our test responses without even treating us as humans Instead, they look down to most of us as if we were their slaves. Have you ever called the ETS customer services? Try it. Let me tell you a real story. I believe that every body remembers the chaos of TOEFL iBT in November 2006. Last November 2006, I called to inquire about my TOEFL iBT test results that had not been published and been late for about 20 days. Asking me tens of questions about my identity, the customer service representative said that she could not give me MY test results. I asked for her supervisor. The honorable man said the same claiming that I did not have my test registration number given that I had correctly answered every single question concerning my name, birth date, address, test center, date and time, and so forth. I, inoffensively, thought to ask this supervisor about who would be the auditor for ETS. Surprise!!! “NO ONE IS AUDITING US”, said the supervisor.:mad: After 2-3 minutes of what I should call monologue,I was the only one talking, he, sarcastically, advised me to go ahead and ask my institution ((NABP)) to assign me another test. :eek: Based on what is mentioned above, please answer the following question. Who in the world would repel customers by asking them to find someone else to do what s/he supposed to make living of? The answer is one word: MONOPOLY ETS has succeeded to convince universities as well as professional institutions like the NABP to recognize ETS as the only English test maker in the US. In doing so, they held some practice tests in countries like England. Of course, the English students could have made it in the speaking test. Taking preliminary phase results into their considerations, they provided the NABP with misleading figures and numbers about the potential scores of the upcoming ETS innovation, TOEFL iBT. I happened to get 29 on reading, 29 on listening, 29 on writing, and my best was 24 in speaking. When I requested rescoring my 24 in speaking, they remarked my test and I got 22 instead. On another test, I got R: 28, L: 28, S: 19, W: 28!!!!! According to my understanding, any language consists of two aspects. The first aspect is the ability to receive the language. You comprehend the language using your reading and listening capabilities. The second aspect is the ability to inform others your message using this language via the writing and/or speaking. Having achieved 29 on the writing section, I would consider my abilities in conveying information using the English Language adequate. Therefore, the problem would be in the speaking score. Is it the right reflection of my real speaking level? According to my professors, instructors, colleagues, associates, co-workers, friends, neighbors, family, and letter of recognitions that I have gotten from my college, I SPEAK ENGLISH FLUENTLY. Moreover, the way by which the speaking part of the TOEFL iBT test is brought in make it harder for me to prove my competence in the language. I find it hard to come up with a perfect summary concerning 2-3 minutes lecture I have just heard to. Besides, The TOEFL iBT test mainstay would be on university situations, conversations, lectures, problems, and so on. What does this have to do with my situation? I am taking this test to be licensed as a pharmacist. Should a pharmacist be a problem solver to academic situation? I believe there are many different ways to evaluate professionals better than speaking for 5.5 minutes in the TOEFL iBT. It is better for either the NABP or the ETS to assign another test and call it TOEFLP (Test of English as a Foreign Language for PROFESSIONALS). It is an idea that no body would even think about. As mentioned above, it is monopoly. It is all about business and business relationships. I was just wandering, what the mean of the speaking section test results would be in case that the NABP agreed upon IELTS as another approved test. Do I smell something bad?:hmm: It might be. However, I trust NABP. If you are interested, just send me at sickntired_ibt@yahoo.com Thanks for your consideration It took them 4 days to post my new scores online. However, I tried TSE rescoring before. I took about 40 days. As far as I know, there is nothing you can make sure about when dealing with ETS. They just do whatever they want depending on the fact that you have nothing to do.