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bmwhype, let me say first I do not appreciate your condescending tone. Second, I understand the concept that you can ensure an even draw from "o,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,o". But the point I am trying to make is that this question can be interpreted in more than one way and is therefore arguable. You can also ensure an even draw (even while you say this one is incorrect), "o,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,o,o" 10 odd. And while yes, it can become even, and then odd again. Drawing 10 odd cards ensures that this sum is even, with no chance that the draw will be odd again. (Just as drawing 10 even and 2 odd does). It can be construed that the point of the question is to draw the minimum amount of cards without any longer having the possibility of getting an odd draw. Depending on your interpretation either of our answers could be correct. The other point that is arguable: When drawing randomly from a stack of cards, let us pretend that Jerome did not look at the cards until after he drew all twelve. Do you honestly believe that the cards will be 10 even and 2 odd? The odds of getting 10 even and 2 odd is so low that you cannot ensure or guarantee that the result is even (from drawing 10 even and 2 odd, or 10 odd). The only way you can ensure (without a doubt) that the sum is even is to draw all 20 cards. Therefore, logically, this question is barely conscionable. Obviously, there is a general consensus on the method to answer the question but, due to the nature of the wording in this question there are several interpretations that make one come to some drastic assumption about the card drawing. ihusw, thank you for your persistence in explaining this to my stupid @$$.

The supposed correct answer with this question assumes a miraculous drawing of cards. "e,o,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,e,o". I understand your logic; but this question requires one to make absurd assumptions. But I will play its game, and come up with an equally divine answer. What if he drew 10 odd cards? Is it so wrong that this particular combination entails an alternating even result (e.g. o+o=e, o+o+o=o)? So by the reasoning above the answer must be 10, because this instance ensures an even number. What is wrong about this equally miraculous drawing of cards? Surely, 10 odd cards provides a better result than 10 even and 2 odd.

She is agreeing to the personnel manager's proposal; It would be agree "with" if she were agreeing with the manager. Good question. Subtle difference. Perhaps rewording would let you better distinguish between the two (both of which are acceptable in colloquial English): Alternate wording with correct answer: The advertising manager agreed to the personnel manager's proposal. Alternate wording with incorrect answer: The advertising manager agreed with the personnel manager's proposal. Good rule of thumb: You agree with people; You agree to contracts, proposals and the like.

Kartiyeg, DRAWING RANDOMLY: You are saying, the minimum number of cards he must draw is 12. You can say, for a fact, that when he turns these cards over he will get 2 odd and 10 even? NO. The ONLY way to ensure he gets an even integer is to draw 20. Only then can you know he "RANDOMLY" drew the correct number to "ENSURE" he had an even number. 1 is best case scenario (and true if all cards were even) but randomly drawing from 10 even and 10 odd is 50% chance (NO ASSURANCE HERE). 12 is not correct because he could draw 3 odd and 9 even completely disproving your analysis (could be true if there were 12 cards, 10 even and 2 odd). 20 is correct because 10 even + 10 odd NO MATTER WHAT WAY they are drawn will ALWAYS ensure a positive number. Figure out the odds of RANDOMLY drawing 10 even and 2 odd cards out of cards numbered 1-20. Please post the result I will be happy to see it.

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I choked on the math guys 31q :(, 40v:). With a 580 schools within my reach are: UNC-Wilmington Clemson (top 50) James Madison William and Mary Those aren't so bad. Mootet, my test was lots of number theory, and I had 2-3 probability questions.

Profile: Male, 21 Profession: Benefits - UNCW BSBA: Business Management BSBA: Human Resources Management -Hospice Volunteer -NCAA D2 Soccer and Cross Country Athlete -Founder: Society for Human Resources Management@MOC -PHR Certified in May I posted my practice scores in the practice vs real gmat thread. I was hoping I would do better than this on my math. The math seemed way harder on the actual exam vs. GMATPrep and verbal was way easier. I'm a little disappointed, but I think this score is sufficient enough for the program I am applying to. Sorry I can't give advice for verbal, the only practice I did on it was with the practice exams. For math I got a tutor. Believe me, it helped. I think I choked at least partially on the math portion of the exam. I'm hoping being in a knowledge intensive field vs. a technical field will play in my favor. Maybe I'll retake for a higher math score, who knows.:rolleyes:

E. Neither is sufficient. These statements are true for all factors of 4 where a=b+4.

Kartikayeg, Drawing 12 cards is the best case scenario. Not the worst. The worst case scenario is drawing a card that makes the set ODD no matter how many cards you have drawn. Worst case scenario is having an odd number at 19 cards. Thus, the only way to ENSURE you have an even number is to draw 20.

GMATPrep1: 560 (38Q, 29V) 2/15/2008 (rushed verbal for tutoring lesson; 30 mins remaining) OnlnKapCat: 580 (36Q, 36V) 2/16/2008 GMATPrep1: 620 (36Q, 38V) 2/19/2008 (retake; concentrated on verbal) GMATPrep2: 620 (40Q, 35v) 2/29/2008 Day before exam GMAT Score: 580 (31Q, 40V) Math was way harder than the GMATPrep. I'm a little disappointed. Oh well. My exam is 3/01/08 at 8am. I'm hoping 600+, I'll update tomorrow after the test.

I would suggest practicing your critical reasoning so that you can learn to identify the significance and key features of a scenario. Doing better on these question types will help with your reading comprehension. Sentence correction is just a process of mechanics, learn the basics and you will do better. From THIS test, I would say focus on CR, then RC, and then sentence correction. Your score will quickly climb to mid-high 30's. Where can I download the .exe for this test?

Found this website about 10 seconds ago. I'm still exploring but there are free practice sets here. Free Online GMAT Practice Tests UPDATE: NEVERMIND. This Material is not quality.

Sure, that works if you GET them in that order. You are drawing randomly. It is certainly possible to draw 10 even and 2 odd, but it is not certain that you will. I still think that the answer is 20.

Saturday is my exam date. I am not nervous, I am guessing that will all hit me when I am sitting in front of the computer screen. I have read that one should do easy questions or do nothing at all the day before the exam, but I have been here in a hotel room on a business trip for this entire week with little time to really study in a more comfortable environment. I want to take Friday off to take a practice exam, work on some quantitative and sentence correction (Kaplan says this is one of my weaknesses). Is it a bad idea to practice the day before the exam? Like I said, I am not nervous, my expectations are not too grand (a 630 would be nice). I'd really like to take the second GMATprep test. I doubt (even if I do poorly) I will be upset with or too excited with any of its results. I plan on keeping a positive mindset no matter what. Just let me know what you all would do. I am sure that there are several other people whose test dates are coming up and would also like advice. Regards guys. okGMAT

Great verbal. I hope to read about your future success in the quantitative portion. Don't let nerves get to you. Get it all out in the beginning, work on concentrating. Once you get to the testing center there is really nothing more that you can worry about because you have already entered the gates of h-e-double-hockey-sticks. I hope I get 610 with bad nerves!!!

Sounds like you hit a streak of question which drug your difficulty down. I took a practice test where I missed 8 out of the first 10 questions and then had an 11 question hit streak at the very end. My subsequent score was 36q (really not bad considering blowing the very beginning). My point being, you didn't have a subsequent streak that exceeded the amount that you missed in the beginning. At least not enough to get you back into the hard question bin to get questions given a heavier weight. Its unlucky. Refocus, work on winning in the very beginning so you can skew your score and not have to catch up.

haha, makes sense. thank you. anymore math shortcuts that you would like to share that are related to number theory?

Tyler studied for a week or so and got 700. Now I'm scared for the GMAT because math is the most difficult subject.

Maybe I'm missing something. How did you come to this conclusion? 8^(4k+2)*5^n = 64*8^4k*5^n

If he is drawing at random, the best case scenario is either 10 even or 10 odd as those will all add up to an even number. But it cannot be twelve. You are right that he could get 10 even and 2 odd, or 10 odd and two even and make even numbers, but he could just as easily get 3 odd and 9 even to make an odd number. You can play with the possible scenarios and get either even or odd depending on the mix of cards you get. The important thing is that you can make just the opposite (even or odd) for all combinations of cards up until the 20th card. The only possible way to ENSURE you get an even number is to draw all of the cards, which will add up to 210.

What is the source? Kaplan online has a very, very, very similar question. Either they got lazy and reworded/had it stolen/or stole it :).

A is redundant. B Redundant, Wordy C Awkward D redundant E lacks the redundancy of A, B, and D, and is not wordy or awkward. Ans, E

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IMO C. You definitely need one that says "it is of". Now we are down to CDE C: "The taste of local collectors" refers to a distinct taste which the museum's collections (formerly the artists' work, but it is not theirs any longer) offer. The art historian's judgments have influence. These judgments do not "has" influence. But the art historian himself has influence. D & E make the errors as described above.