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All of them are good schools! French Masters Programs - TSE, PSE and ENSAE-X You should look at what the previous thread on this topic!

PROFILE: Canadian student in mediocre school ranked 200-300 in the world. Type of Undergrad: B.Math Double Honours in Math and Economics Undergrad GPA: 3.91/4.0 Type of Grad: N/A Grad GPA: N/A GRE: N/A Math Courses: Real analysis, Differential equations, Statsitics and Probability, Other less popular heavy math courses Econ Courses: Advanced Econ, Other Courses: Letters of Recommendation: 1 from the dean, 2 from the regular faculty Research Experience: 1 year with econ faculty Teaching Experience: 2 years as TA since first year summer Research Interests: Flexible SOP: Standard Applied: U of Toronto, UBC, Queen's, Paris School of Economics, LSE RESULTS: Acceptances: Everywhere I applied Waitlists: None Rejections: None Pending: Attending: PSE Comments: Decided to attend PSE to see Piketty and Paris. I might transfer to US if I don't find a good supervisor at PSE. I agree entirely with the guy above who said applying from non-high ranked schools directly to these top schools in Canada and UK was not easy. I was fortunate to have references who attended MIT. Otherwise, I doubt that I would've been accepted at PSE and LSE, two schools that are harder to get into among the schools I applied. The downside is that even though I got admissions from everywhere with "full funding", they weren't exceptional. They all offered me standard funding at around $20000. Someone from good university with my profile would probably receive a lot more funding.

PROFILE: Canadian student in mediocre school ranked 200-300 in the world. Type of Undergrad: B.Math Double Honours in Math and Economics Undergrad GPA: 3.91/4.0 Type of Grad: N/A Grad GPA: N/A GRE: N/A Math Courses: Real analysis, Differential equations, Statsitics and Probability, Other less popular heavy math courses Econ Courses: Advanced Econ, Other Courses: Letters of Recommendation: 1 from the dean, 2 from the regular faculty Research Experience: 1 year with econ faculty Teaching Experience: 2 years as TA since first year summer Research Interests: Flexible SOP: Standard Applied: U of Toronto, UBC, Queen's, Paris School of Economics, LSE RESULTS: Acceptances: Everywhere I applied Waitlists: None Rejections: None Pending: Attending: PSE Comments: Decided to attend PSE to see Piketty and Paris. I might transfer to US after doing GRE.

If you are a professor, then perhaps you should stop your stubborn comment about economics ranking system. Thank you for pointing out that we were talking about US school rankings. I simply didn't assume that since I am not American. https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/economics-business This was the site I was referring to. I simply said that Stanford SGB is a business school and it's natural that it places low on the economics ranking scale. Business schools generally have many research areas and economics is only a subset of their research at Stanford SGB. I'm very aware that Stanford SGB places their graduates at top economics schools occasionally, but most of them are placed at Business graduate schools, which makes sense. Compare Stanford Economics Department to Stanford SGB, and would you still argue that Stanfrod SGB is a better Economics school than Stanford Economics department? You are fooling yourself with the term "reputation" if this is the case. In fact, you should take a look at this since I think other people have sacrificed precious time to criticize the ridiculous US news ranking of the world universities. I decline to spend any more time explaining why USnews ranking system is flawed, and unless you are working for US news ranking system, I urge you to rethink about your favorability of US news ranking. https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2013/09/your-annual-reminder-to-ignore-the-em-us-news-world-report-em-college-rankings/279103/

Wow... Why does honesty get ignored? Not a lot of people are going to be honest with you. I just gave you advice coming from my heart so you don't waste your time trying for top 35 econ grad schools.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/economics-business it's a world ranking and it very misrepresent the rankings outside US.

It depends on what top 35 you mean. If you are speaking about top 35 in US, then maybe. If you are speaking about top 35 in the world, then no. I think you should rather aim for admissions at schools that specialize since your GPA is definitely too low for any decent school. Good luck!

I am glad that you are a professor, congratulations, but I hope you aren't misinforming your students to believe that US news ranking is a good ranking system. Without going into the details of US news ranking system methodology, we can see it's flaws. Out of top 10, according to US news, 9 are located in US. Out of top 20, 17 are located in US. Three outliers are LSE and two schools in Netherlands. As you put it, "only the biological mother of these Netherlands schools" would think that the Dutch schools are better than Oxford, PSE, UBoconni, Ubonn, which are top European economics schools that the Dutch schools can directly compare to. It is not to say that US schools aren't excellent. They are just overly represented in US news ranking. Good luck with your research, whichever department you are in. Hopefully not economics.

I agree with you. As I said, I acknowledge the reputation of Stanford GSB in Business. If you are careful with their placements, majority of their graduates do business, not necessarily economics. Doing research in Economics means a lot different than landing a position in Business department. Economics phD's are likely to place in both Business and Economics departments, but the other way around doesn't usually happen. (happens only in rare occasion). Business degrees tend to be a lot more career focused and "money making" focused, whereas economics is a field of social science concerned with research.

My words were directed to the person who started this thread. It's great that you are already employed. Congratulations. US news ranking has many flaws. Without going into the details of their methodology, US news ranking claims that out of top 10 economics departments 9 are located in US. The only one exception being LSE. According to US news ranking, out of top 20 economics departments 17 are located in US. 1 is LSE and 2 are Dutch schools. Only the "mother of biological affiliates" as you put it of these two Dutch schools would consider themselves to have better overall research outcomes than Oxford, PSE, UBonn, UBoconni, which are the top European economics schools that Dutch schools can directly compare to.The ranking over represents US economics departments and heavily underestimates + misrepresent non-American institutes. In addition, economics departments should be compared with national institutes such as NBER or Bank of Canada since these government/financial institutes have departments that do pure research and shouldn't be forgetten in graduate rankings. If you are purely concerned about how people think about each schools, then yes. I think you "can" consider US news ranking, but if you are a serious economist, I urge you to consider Ideas rankings most seriously.

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US News asks around people which schools are good and you are saying this is a reasonable ranking system?... That is disappointing if you are an economist even more so. Ideas ranks schools based on research output. https://ideas.repec.org/t/ranking.html I encourage you to read the methodology they use to compute the economics rankings and compare it to simply "asking around people..."

I didn't claim that one ranking system is perfect and the other is not. Among economists ideas ranking system is most widely used. If Queen's University graduates rank higher than Stanford GSB, it makes sense. GSB is a business school and Queen's is an economics school. Business schools tend to have harder time placing graduates in economics, but this shouldn't come to you as a surprise. Business schools and economics schools teach different material. If these were rankings purely on employer satisfaction, then yes, Stanford SGB would place at a much higher level than Queen's graduate. It's highly likely that an economics student gets an employment at a Business school, but not the other way around. I don't want anyone to be misinformed and think that USNews ranking is a better measure than Ideas just because StanfordGSB ranks lower, but again, this is a Business school. Queen's University currently produces second most cited research in Canada after University of British Columbia. Queen's is a very good school. Some think that University of Toronto is the best school in economics. It might well be given heavier percentage of their professors hold ivy league degrees than both University of British Columbia and Queen's University combined, but clearly the research output says otherwise. I encourage you to read some of the faculty's papers before comparing schools, or at the very least look at professors' Curriculum Vitae. The biggest bias of USnews ranking system is that it over-ranks the American schools. Among top 20 schools according to US news, 17 out of 20 universities are American. Even surprising fact is that 2 of them are Netherland's Universities. It's not to say that the two Dutch schools and American schools are not excellent, but they just don't compare with some of top European institutes such as PSE, Bocconi, CEMFI. US news might be taken seriously by non economists, business majors, and non-researchers, but not among economists. Ideas is the only ranking that economics researchers should take seriously and ask your professors which ranking they use as an indicator of strong performance in research. I have done this, and 9 out of 10 will say Ideas.

Also, I want to inform you that https://ideas.repec.org/top/top.inst.all10.html This is the ranking of institutions by research output (only research output) in the past 10 years. When choosing your graduate program, this might be the most useful source instead of looking for graduate academic placements, since if the research is good, then placement is something that just follows.

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