econphilomath Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Some top departments took less students this year due to over admitting last year and this generated congestion that rippled down and made waitlists high up not move. This may have been w surprise and generated the observed waitlist frustrations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chateauheart Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 I don't think there's been a discernible increase in competitiveness. The jump from 2007 to 2010 or so was probably larger than the years since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundchaser Posted April 20, 2017 Author Share Posted April 20, 2017 I don't think there's been a discernible increase in competitiveness. The jump from 2007 to 2010 or so was probably larger than the years since. I've heard there's been some lessening of competitiveness during the past few years. Is this true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rohanps Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Here is a life tip: people lie. Perhaps, but I can only go on what they tell me. (Although I would add that there really isn't any need to be quite so condescending.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaysa Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Perhaps, but I can only go on what they tell me. (Although I would add that there really isn't any need to be quite so condescending.) You think that is condescending? Just wait until graduate school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rohanps Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Yeah, thanks for proving my point. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksuga Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 lol dude you have way too high and mighty an attitude. very few (if anyone) in this forum thinks your credentials are as extraordinary as you have been implying. 8 years of pvt sector experience doesnt count as the kind of academic-style research adcoms like to see. that you graduated a long time ago hurts. No doubt you're very good, but you sound like you're going to go into OSU thinking you're way better than the rest, and that will hurt you. Yeah, thanks for proving my point. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rohanps Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Afraid I'm going to contest your ad hominem attack. I have only been relaying what my letter writers told me I could expect, and the views that were expressed by others in response to the thread I posted 18 months ago with my profile and the universities to which I was applying. At no point have I suggested that I "deserved" to get into somewhere like Stanford, merely that I am disappointed that I did not. In the case of this thread, I simply responded to the question asked and was rudely spoken down to by Kaysa. If that is me being "high and mighty", then I struggle to know what you would consider being humble. However, you are, of course, welcome to your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubrus Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Yeah, there's no need for that kind of comment ksuga. It is very natural to feel disappointed if your letter writers convey one belief but your results are quite different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathenomics Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Yeah, there's no need for that kind of comment ksuga. It is very natural to feel disappointed if your letter writers convey one belief but your results are quite different. Agreed. I'd be quite dismayed if that happened to me as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echoing2016 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) Some top departments took less students this year due to over admitting last year and this generated congestion that rippled down and made waitlists high up not move. This may have been w surprise and generated the observed waitlist frustrations. Interesting. I actually know 3 departments in the top 10 that take a lot of students (~30) this year. Edited April 20, 2017 by echoing2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundchaser Posted April 20, 2017 Author Share Posted April 20, 2017 Interesting. I actually know 3 departments in the top 10 that take a lot of students (~30) this year. (For at least one of them, the yield rate is so high that they didn't end up admitting many from the waitlist.) Other departments may have more normal enrollment, though. Maybe competition is so fierce which makes acceptance rate unexpectedly high (no one declines a top 10 offer since they have only one)? We really need to write a structural model to make sense of it :excited: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echoing2016 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Maybe competition is so fierce which makes acceptance rate unexpectedly high (no one declines a top 10 offer since they have only one)? We really need to write a structural model to make sense of it :excited: It's more like something weird is going on on the demand side if they increasingly give offers to those nobody else is giving an offer to. Caveat: discussion based on limited data and speculations, not meant to be taken seriously :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
econphilomath Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 That is right. That some top departments took more students is a function of being surprised they got more acceptances than usual because someone higher up took less. This makes them not go to the waitlist and then those move downward generating the ripple effect to programs below. It would also contribute to the feeling waitlists moved less and maybe explains the sentiment on this board that it was more competitive this year. Given all that I guess you could say it was more competitive since the number of slots at the top diminished slightly but demand maybe stayed the same. Hard to know for sure without admin data on applications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westtonian Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I don't have any data to support my claim, but it seems like many students who were accepted by a T20 only had that one dominating offer, so most offers from T20 were accepted. Since the yield rate is so high, many schools did not go to their waitlists or only accepted a small number of students from their waitlists. Obviously there are also those stars who got lots of T20 offers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
specious Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 yeah, it sounds like yield has been much higher in some of the hotter schools like Stanford. now that I think about my previous claim, if a school unilaterally reduces its class size, then the contemporaneous and lagged effect should be an increase in yield of lower ranked schools. I'd even hazard to guess that higher than expected yield this year, could mean that admission rates will decline in the future for certain top 10 schools as they attempt to readjust class sizes to their desired equilibrium. Why may have yield been so high? I posit one potential explanation: applicant quality may have risen but admission probabilities across top 10 schools has grown less correlated. So, you may have a smaller number of cross-admits and schools admitting students underestimate yield thinking that a larger pool of their talent admitted students will decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayd Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Not sure why yield rate is so high, we will see if we are going to have a much greater incoming first-year or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB1 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) It's more like something weird is going on on the demand side if they increasingly give offers to those nobody else is giving an offer to. Caveat: discussion based on limited data and speculations, not meant to be taken seriously :D Plot twist: Maybe the top 10 or so pool together and bid on mutual applicants. No need playing the wait game. :devilish: Edited April 25, 2017 by JB1 added quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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