Yazynin Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 I can't understand the difference between them. For example (I apologise for not gving all the variants): Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers provide workers with unpaid leave so as to care for sick or newborn children. The official answer is: to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can Several years ago the diet industry introduced a variety of appetite suppressants, but some of these drugs caused such severe stomach disorders as to be banned by the Food and Drug Administration. The official answer is: such severe stomach disorders that they were ---------------------------BUT---------------------- Students in the metropolitan school district lack math skills to such a large degree as to make it difficult to absorb them into a city economy becoming ever more dependent on information-based industries. The official answer is: are so lacking in math skills that it will be difficult to absorb them into a city economy becoming The Emperor Augustus, it appears, commissioned an idealized sculptured portrait, the features of which are so unrealistic that they have constituted what one scholar calls an “artificial face” The official answer is: so unrealistic as to constitute Although one link in the chain was demonstrated to be weak, but not sufficiently so to require the recall of the automobile. The official answer is: demonstrably weak, it was not so weak as to require Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erin Posted December 6, 2002 Share Posted December 6, 2002 This one will take time to explain, which I don't have now. Please "bump" the topic if I overlook it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nil Posted December 6, 2002 Share Posted December 6, 2002 I don't know the answers. There questions are so confusing for me too. And I am sure I am not alone. Detail answer will be a great help here for many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yazynin Posted December 13, 2002 Author Share Posted December 13, 2002 Erin, I hope you did not forget about this topic... Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsdvj Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 Erin, this topic is really confusing. I tried to search for a solution, but it confuses all the more..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erin Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 I know it's been a while, but this is the first chance I've had to get to this question (it'll take me a bit of time to explain this grammar point, and longer answers take longer for me to get to).Originally posted by Yazynin I can't understand the difference between them. For example (I apologise for not gving all the variants): Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers TO provide workers with unpaid leave so as to care for sick or newborn children."so as to" modifies verbs; this sentence is ambiguous. On first read, it sounds like the desired result of debating is workers being able care for sick or newborn children. This meaning is incorrect--the desired result of debating is coming to agreement. The official answer is: to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they canThis is okay because it's clear that the workers are going to take care of the children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erin Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Originally posted by Yazynin Several years ago the diet industry introduced a variety of appetite suppressants, but some of these drugs caused such severe stomach disorders as to be banned by the Food and Drug Administration. The official answer is: such severe stomach disorders that they wereFirst, you should know that such + noun + as to is much less common than so + adj/adv + as to. Now, for the difference between these two. I think these are best illustrated with examples: Xue Mei spoke in such a way as to calm us down. The sales materials are presented in such a way as to encourage attendees to purchase the products on the spot. These usages focus on doing an action and paying to that action while you are doing it so that the action creates a result. To simplify a bit, these usages answer the question, "Why did you do it in that way?" So, the most common words to use with this pattern are way, manner, etc. Compare these similar sentences: Xue Mei spoke so that we would stop asking her questions. The sales materials are presented at the end of the meetings so that the participants won't realize the meeting is actually a sales presentation. The part that comes after so... that... answers the question WHY. Of course, these two are often interchangeable, but if you really, really want to know the difference, this is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sranju Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 Erin, can u plz explain why the OFFICIAL answer given is preffered over the other(not another) choice.....As told, we shud prefer 'so that' when 'WHY' is being answered.And we shud use 'so as to' when 'IN WHAT WAY' is being addressed.But in the below mentioned cases we arent answering either of the two...so what rule governs these examples?? 1)Students in the metropolitan school district becoming ever more dependent on information-based industries. The official answer is: are so lacking in math skills that it will be difficult to absorb them into a city economy becoming 2)The Emperor Augustus, it appears, commissioned an idealized sculptured portrait, the features of which are what one scholar calls an “artificial face” The official answer is: so unrealistic as to constitute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sranju Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 Bump!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whino Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 The official answer is: to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can This is okay because it's clear that the workers are going to take care of the children. Why can't "they" refer to employers? Employers = plural noun Workers = plural noun they = plurnal pronoun I have done almost every problem of SC in [tooltip=Official Guide]OG[/tooltip], and I can't figure this out.What is the explanation proving that "they" can only refer to the workers? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whino Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 OK I think I got it now. The pronoun "they" must refer to the previous noun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otaeeeee Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 I still don't understand...why does 'they' can't refer to 'employers'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sggmat Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 I still don't understand...why does 'they' can't refer to 'employers'? Kindly explain this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
targetsep08 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 This is an old post. But can somebody help to clarify why cant they refer to employees.....and how it can only refer to workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12rk34 Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Erin. Pls. comment that in OG10 Q.67 , why 'they' can not refer to 'employers' ? The sentence as per OG is : Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can care for sick or new born children. I find the use of they 'confusing'. Pls help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiser007 Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Whino- The thimb rule is that the pronoun should refer to the immediate antecedent. In this case, the immediate antecedent is 'workers' for they so D passes. © provide workers with unpaid leave in order that they (D) to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can What I don't get is why is C incorrect? subjunctive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearbull Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Erin. Pls. comment that in OG10 Q.67 , why 'they' can not refer to 'employers' ? The sentence as per OG is : Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can care for sick or new born children. I find the use of they 'confusing'. Pls help. they might not be confusing ( OG SAYS SO) ( WHAT GMAT BELIEVES IS CORRECT SHOULD BE TEST TAKER'S SOLE BELIEF ) So that is equivalent or rather equal to in order to ( mechanically yes) I will write GMAT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO GEt through B school I will write Gmat so that i can get through B school ok take another one: !2rk took GMat to get through B school Who wants to get through b school ? 12rk 12rk took gmat in order to get through B school who? understood 12rk took gmat so that he/she can get through B school HE/she = 12rk Doer is the beneficiary here . say : X took gmat so that Y could get through b school. It is non sensical rt? One could argue against the above logic He arranged the meeting so that we could discuss the problems. A valid POINT HERE THE DOER IS HE AND THE BENEFICIARY IS WE :eek::rolleyes: 12RK, WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THIS ?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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