dokiente Posted October 7, 2002 Share Posted October 7, 2002 1) ______ famers extra hours of light by which to harvest crops before frost and winter come. a) The harvest moon b) Whenever the harvest moon allows c) During the harvest moon d) The harvest moon gives d) is ok. Please explain to me the function of which in this sentence. 2) _____ perceives the color black provided there is complete lack of stimulation of the retina. a) When a person b) A person will c) If a person d) A person d) is OK. In this sentence, it may be lack of comma?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaiyachoti Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Hi, I think these questions look quite strange. Could you please check if there are some typos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dokiente Posted October 8, 2002 Author Share Posted October 8, 2002 Originally posted by chaiyachoti Hi, I think these questions look quite strange. Could you please check if there are some typos? ...I checked, there is no typo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harbinger Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Originally posted by dokiente Originally posted by chaiyachoti Hi, I think these questions look quite strange. Could you please check if there are some typos? ...I checked, there is no typo. Are you sure? I know there is at least 1 typo. This is that "famers" should be "farmers".:D:D Well, that is just kidding, I know this is not an important typo. Question 1, I think "which" refers to "light". Question 2, No wrong in question 2. "Provided" is a conjunction word. It means "if" or "only if ". We don't need to place a comma in this case. The comma would be used in the following case: "Provided there is complete lack of stimulation of the retina, a person perceives the color black ". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erin Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Originally posted by dokiente 1) ______ famers extra hours of light by which to harvest crops before frost and winter come. a) The harvest moon b) Whenever the harvest moon allows c) During the harvest moon d) The harvest moon gives d) is ok. Please explain to me the function of which in this sentence. Yes, D is the only possible answer. In this sentence: which = hours (of light) If we rearrange the sentence (our basic strategy for understanding all adjective and noun clause problems), we get this phrase: to harvest crops by hours of light before frost and winter come. Compare this sentence to a similar, but simpler one: We gave him a few dollars with which to buy (or "he could buy") some juice. which = a few dollars Rearranging again: to buy some juice with a few dollars Make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erin Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Originally posted by harbinger [br"Provided there is complete lack of stimulation of the retina, a person perceives the color black ". Harbinger, wonderful explanation, as usual. dokiente: If you wanted to add a comma, where would you put it? Before "provided"? I think that's probably where you'd add it, but I'd like a bit more information from you so that we can answer your question better. If I'm correct, then the short answer is that a comma in that position is sometimes used, sometimes not, depending on the meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaiyachoti Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 Originally posted by ErinBilly Originally posted by dokiente 1) ______ famers extra hours of light by which to harvest crops before frost and winter come. a) The harvest moon b) Whenever the harvest moon allows c) During the harvest moon d) The harvest moon gives d) is ok. Please explain to me the function of which in this sentence. Yes, D is the only possible answer. In this sentence: which = hours (of light) If we rearrange the sentence (our basic strategy for understanding all adjective and noun clause problems), we get this phrase: to harvest crops by hours of light before frost and winter come. Compare this sentence to a similar, but simpler one: We gave him a few dollars with which to buy (or "he could buy") some juice. which = a few dollars Rearranging again: to buy some juice with a few dollars Make sense? Hi Erin, Your explanation is great. However, I have some doubt in mind. Could you please explain this for me? As far as I know, after relative pronoun( which,who,...), we need a clause (s+v) to follow it. But, from your example, it means that even phrase can follow relative pronoun, isn't it? Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaiyachoti Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 Originally posted by harbinger Originally posted by dokiente Originally posted by chaiyachoti Hi, I think these questions look quite strange. Could you please check if there are some typos? ...I checked, there is no typo. Are you sure? I know there is at least 1 typo. This is that "famers" should be "farmers".:D:D Well, that is just kidding, I know this is not an important typo. Question 1, I think "which" refers to "light". Question 2, No wrong in question 2. "Provided" is a conjunction word. It means "if" or "only if ". We don't need to place a comma in this case. The comma would be used in the following case: "Provided there is complete lack of stimulation of the retina, a person perceives the color black ". Hi Harbinger, You always do a great job. Great explanation ! I absolutely overlook that "provided" is a conjunction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dokiente Posted October 9, 2002 Author Share Posted October 9, 2002 ...I wonder "provided" is conjunction, and open my dictionary ... it is truth!!![^] Thank harbinger, bless u! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dokiente Posted October 9, 2002 Author Share Posted October 9, 2002 Dear ErinBilly, you are really TestMagic. I found the answer for this question in all books I have, but I cannot. It is my consuming all days until I read your message. Thank you very much. ... about comma. As far as I know comma must be put before conjunction - in the compound sentence, why in this sentence there is not any comma?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaiyachoti Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 Originally posted by dokiente Dear ErinBilly, you are really TestMagic. I found the answer for this question in all books I have, but I cannot. It is my consuming all days until I read your message. Thank you very much. ... about comma. As far as I know comma must be put before conjunction - in the compound sentence, why in this sentence there is not any comma?? Hi Dokiente, Let me try to explain your doubt. As you understand, it is correct to put a comma before a conjunction in the compound sentence. Conjunctions for compound sentences are as follows. [/size]f[/size]or [/size]a[/size]nd [/size]n[/size]or [/size]b[/size]ut [/size]o[/size]r [/size]y[/size]et [/size]s[/size]o These conjunctions are called "FANBOYS" in order to easy to memorize. There are only seven conjunctions in the compound sentence. On the other hand, "provided" is a conjunction for the complex sentence. It acts like "if" in the condition sentence, so when it stands between two clauses, we don't need to put a comma before it. Example : If I were you, I would buy a new car. I would buy a new car if I were you. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dokiente Posted October 11, 2002 Author Share Posted October 11, 2002 Originally posted by chaiyachoti Originally posted by dokiente Dear ErinBilly, you are really TestMagic. I found the answer for this question in all books I have, but I cannot. It is my consuming all days until I read your message. Thank you very much. ... about comma. As far as I know comma must be put before conjunction - in the compound sentence, why in this sentence there is not any comma?? Hi Dokiente, Let me try to explain your doubt. As you understand, it is correct to put a comma before a conjunction in the compound sentence. Conjunctions for compound sentences are as follows. [/size]f[/size]or [/size]a[/size]nd [/size]n[/size]or [/size]b[/size]ut [/size]o[/size]r [/size]y[/size]et [/size]s[/size]o These conjunctions are called "FANBOYS" in order to easy to memorize. There are only seven conjunctions in the compound sentence. On the other hand, "provided" is a conjunction for the complex sentence. It acts like "if" in the condition sentence, so when it stands between two clauses, we don't need to put a comma before it. Example : If I were you, I would buy a new car. I would buy a new car if I were you. HTH Thank chaiyachoti! I will remember FANBOYS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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